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Rob


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Apologies if this is old news, did a search but nothing came up - this forthcoming HaT set featuring a heavy mortar, is it not the same design, or very very close, to the British 9.45 inch mortar known as the 'Flying Pig'?

http://hat.com/Curr2/Bx8238AM/Bx8238AMm.html

Apart from the hats and the shape of the pocket flaps, the uniform, painted in the appropriate colours, could easily pass as British too, but would probably be easier to get WD Models figures

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There's a thread on the HaT Forum somewhere. IIRC, the Austrian was a copy of captured Italian models, which were in turn based on the French original that had been produced as the 9.45 in GB. Something along those lines. Some slight differences between the various versions.

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Hi Rob this is the same mortar Originally french and subsequently copied by all the major players with minor differences... theres probarbly something somewhere but the search fuction does tend be rather inefficient.....
I would expect some other crew sets as Hät intend to produce the Future WW1 guns in hard plastic, I think as seperate kits to crews...
I dont know if this applies to the early french 75 as well I dont think so...

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Something strange happened to the search facility in this forum, about 2 or 3 months ago. It now only searches recent threads, and, yes, is a little irritating.

When Peter returned recently he made this update (the one on top):
http://www.landships.freeservers.com/news.htm

I think, for a British crew, if you wanted to use HaT figures only, you could find enough crew in the just released heavy weapons sets, and the Canadian, British and Horse Artillery sets. Certainly there are enough officers waving their pistols in the air! Retrotracks make a crew in 'teddy bear' jackets. But, as you say, W^D Models have the best choice of figures.



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It just isn't a plastic figure set unless there's an Officer pointing and waving a gun in the air! Received my first WD Models set several weeks ago, and really stunned by the quality, so they're my company of choice in the future

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Rob - here is a discussion about the difference between the 240mm and the 9.45" (Flying Pig):

http://pub19.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=1619281253&frmid=6&msgid=822305&cmd=show

and the differences explained here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9.45_inch_Heavy_Mortar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/240_mm_Trench_Mortar

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Hi All, Two types of 9.45" or 240mm mortars seems to have been in use the earlier  Shorter CT version and a later longer LT version, according to the wiki the British adopted the a longer type with the MKII and MKIII which had a barrel length of 69" the same as the LT type.....
There appears to be no difference in the size of the bore, the US 240mm LT is described as a 240.3 mm or 9.45" bore... however as 9.45" is 240.03 mm I suspect this is merely a misprint... otherwise both US versions appear to be Identical  down to the breech blocks representing the LT type...
However I have yet to see a later British manual so I cant say whether or not the breech mechanism was also used on the later British MKII and III..
In truth it seems odd to me that Hät should choose to produce this as an Austrian weapon..... starting with a french one may have been more appropriate....

Which type is the Hät model?.. I think its the version of the 24cm M16 detailed on landships here http://www.landships.freeservers.com/ah_ww1mortars.htm this does not seem to have a breech either and could be a copy of the CT type which looks similar to the MKI....

A British MKI?..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/AustraliansLoading9.45inchMortarColouredPostcard1916.jpg

http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Canons/ImagesCanons/Angleterre/Minen/FlyingPigLongueval005.jpg

A British MKII?...

http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Canons/ImagesCanons/Angleterre/Minen/9p45inchFlyingPigIWM.JPG

A French or US LT model showing breech.... sliding block with door handle....

http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Canons/ImagesCanons/France/Tranchee/240LFleury2.jpg

As is almost allways the case I think its much more complex.....

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Tuesday 1st of December 2009 01:32:03 PM

-- Edited by Ironsides on Tuesday 1st of December 2009 01:43:01 PM

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