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Brennan


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confuse The Serbs are recorded as having 9 batteries of Schnieder-Canet (some times reffered to as Schnieder-Cresout) 70mm Mountain Guns. These are supposed to be an off the shelf variation to that supplied to the Russians as their M1909. Their were a number of Krupp & Rhienmetall Trial weapons also (possibly 4 - of each?) & some captures from the Turks & Bulgarians. The bulgarian weapons are also Schnieder though in 75mm.

Then we came to credited photos see below. This is the problem - 175134 & 175123 are schnieder M1909 with curved shield I have also seen with straight shield sloted for wheels but can't copy the file. There is a photo from Belgrade Military Museum confirmed as a WWI Serb Mountain Gun, A news paper photo of a different Serb Mountain Gun. Then their is the Krupp photo where the items of interest are the Guns in the back ground - credited as Serb one with & one without shield, further I have seen photos (but could not save them) of this weapon with a straight shield.

Other than the M1909's I don't have confirmed type ID's on these weapons. ALL are supposed to be pre 1916 service pieces.

Hoping for help.

Brennan

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The first system illustrated is a Krupp 7,5cm L/14 M05.
The second gun is a Rheinmetall 7,7cm L/17 M15.
The 3rd and 4th are Schneiders as you surmised.
The last pic I'm guessing is a Skoda 7,5cm; Difficult to tell without a closer image to examine.

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Thanks, has anyone got photos or drawings of the Krupp M05 L/14 75mm??

The Rhinemetall M15 (the guns in the background of the 2nd photo) - was this the adoption of an earlier comercial product?? Just the source of the photo has been VERY good with its dating & addoption info previously so.....

Finally the Schnieders - can anyone help in confirming that this WAS the primary gun as adopted by the Serbs & any help on the issue of straight & curved shield would be very welcome.

Thanks,

Brennan

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Hi Brennan

The second gun is coming from my blog surviving guns pictures collection.

http://canonspgmww1guns.canalblog.com/archives/2008/09/27/10738557.html

This one is exposed in Bucarest Ferdinand 1 museum. The contributor who sent me that picture took note of the identification made by the museum as a German Krupp 77mm Moutain Gun M 1912 and noted it, in French on the webpage. It is said to have equipped the Rumanian Moutain troops in WW1, not the Serbian.

The typical mountain gun tail design (lightened) is well visible on the picture.

Now, I know that Museum identificatyions are sometimes approximative.

Thanks

Bernard



-- Edited by Guns1418 on Wednesday 9th of December 2009 07:55:54 PM

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It is the 2 guns in the background that interest me. I was aware that the front (of the 3 guns was Krupp). Sorry for any confusion.

Thanks for the link to your website as it has some very interesting pictures on it that I must have a damned good troll through!

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Oops sorry !

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Re the last pic from Belgrade Museum - could it also be the 70mm St Chamond? See the two below for a comparison?

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