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Brennan


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confuseBelow are a photo of the 155mm version (from Brussels) that is supposed to be close in view to the 120mm (if much less stable & successful).

Plus a Gun Drawing of the 120mm (supposedly)

Plus a Photo of the 120mm described as 1890 Baquet.

I can't reconcile these images?

I am interested as the Serbs are recorded as having some & all look to have at least a fair degree of recoil compensation. Without a clear view I can't even beign to consider conversion or scratch building.

It is worth noting that for Medium Artillery & above (the Serbs used their 120's as Mediums) rates of fire are sufficently below max that only having short or partial reciol compensation has no effect on combat performance. This experience is further reinforced in WWII. Why? Well fire is observed & corrected so time of flight & for adjustment of calculation etc all occur giving heaps of time for smallish realignments due to recoil.

In anticipation,

Brennan

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Description appears accurate to me;  excepting the drawing depicts a 155mm gun.   As was common in French gun design,  the carraiges for these two systems were basically the same.

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Thanks for the correction re the drawing. Only a couple of queries here - the drawing gives a more conventional look to the carraige rather than the distinct convex shape to the latter part of the trail in the 1st photo, secondly in the drawing the breech is approxd level with the back of the wheels not well back as in the photo? 

Was there more than 1 mounting perhaps?

My problem remains the photo of the 120mm as this looks very very different from the 155mm? (either photo or drawing).

Does anyone have other views of the Baquet 120mm or of a gun like the gun in the photo??

Brennan

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Hi Brennan

since the pictures you show are taken from my blog http://canonspgmww1guns.canalblog.com/ and/or website http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Canons/english_CanonsIndex.html (I'd appreciate some source credit for this in your mail, by the way... hmm), I can swear both these rarest guns are genuine 155 and 120 mm Bacquet. The 120mm is exposed in Bucarest.

I would be surprised there have been different mountings for these guns, since they were just 'intermediate models', that will be soon replaced by better howitzers (at least the 155).

With all due respect I have for '28juni14', I think the drawing is a 155, and not a 120. As you mentioned and seen on my Brussel gun picture, 155 had longer tubes than 120.

Attached are two drawings extracted from a book I own ("Manuel d'Artillerie Lourde"), with comparatives sketches of these two models.

The blueprint you show is in a very small resolution, but looks written in Arabic language. Where is that coming from ?

Thanks

Bernard

PS : do not worry for my little bite on you citing your pictures sources... I'm a forgiver ! And I would appreciate keeping in contact with you to got your input in surviving WW1 guns in New Zealand. Right now my website only lists the nice 13cm Kanone 09 in Wellington Newtown Park, and a 77 FK96 nA in Portobello Dunedin. Do you know anything else ?



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Brennan


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Sorry for the lack of atrtribution, got the pictures via others. The Blue Print is supposed to be Turkish - got this Via the "International Forum" on

forum.boinaslava.net

Which has some damned interesting stuff. Though (thinking about it) I might have got refferred to it from
 
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/ - the The Overvalwagen Forum

Which also has some damned interesting stuff

Yes there is / was quite a bit floating around  NZ - Kiwis tend to be aquisative when overseas on military duty. What ste much of it is in now could be rather questionable. As a youngster I recall clambering all over the 77mm & 105mm standard Krupps in most parks in many provincial towns in NZ.

There is also a significant quantity of Stuff held by the Auckland War Memmorial Museum & some by the Auckland Museum of Transport & Technology. Unfortunately these are both about 650Km away from me but try google on the organisations names.

I will see what I can ferret out from contacts.

I am a touch confused though on 120 / 155 issue. I assume the 1st of your scanned drawings is the 120? That would make the blueprint also a 120?
I thought '28juni14' was saying that the blue print was a 155 but your drawings suggest it is a 120?

PS the 13cm in Newtown Park has been removed for restoration (hopefully)

PPS Do you have any dimensions for the 120? I have a couple of old hinchcliffe 1870's 20mm scale 1870's siege howitzers (I think British) that look like being a good base to start a conversion.

Many Many Thanks.



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Hi

interesting to have a Turkish print of the Baquet French gun. I knew ottomans bought Schneider gune, but I did not know for this type.

Yes, the 1st of mt scans is the 120mm, and the second one the 155mm.

I think that the comparaison with your blueprint leaves little doubt on the fact it represents a 120, that had a shorter tube with a typical thick (not elegant...) shape, compared to the 150. I am afraid I have no dimensions for the 120, although.

Thanks for the links, I'll browse around !

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Bernard

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I have contacted the Auckland War Memmorial Museum re their collection.

The National Army Museum at Waiouru has / is restoring a 105mm le FH M16. Its upper gallery has an 18pdr (I don't know what mark). There are also some colonial artillery pieces from the "land wars" of the 2nd half of the 19th Century

The museum's limk is below.

http://www.armymuseum.co.nz/

With over men 100,000 sent overeseas out of a total population of barely 1 Million (more than 10% of its entire population), New Zealand sent something like 40% of its entire male population in the elligable age ranges.

The proportions were much the same (if not worse) in WWII. & total commitment to the armed forces was higher - max of over 260,000 in a population still below 2 Million

So both WWI & WWII are still realy big as almost every NZ family (that has NZ'ers of those eras) has multiple veterans in their family tree.

ANZAC day (day of the Gallipoli Landings is our day of remberance) has under gone a real resurgence in the last decade or so.

Hope this helps,

Brennan

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Hi Brennan

many thanks !

Bernard

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Guns1418, thanks for your help on this. Would you have a side & / or rear photos of the 120? 

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