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Brennan


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At first few looks the carriage in the attached photos would be to look for the large pieces of the De Bange system - say 120mm (prob).confuse

Then I noticed the modified recuperator for a return under the trail - secured to the platform under the axel.doh

Most material I have come across indicates that such mods were not done to Bange system of Guns ?disbelief

The Photos are from

http://canonspgmww1guns.canalblog.com/archives/01__canons_allies__allied_guns_/p30-0.html

If it is De Bange system anyone? When / who did the reciol return mod & how common is it?

very perplexed

Brennan



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28juni14


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Yes,  the carriage illustrated is that of a Mle 1878, Pour Canon De 120 Mil. Long.
The piston-like devise you see lying beneath the system was a common feature of Artillerie de siege.    The piston was anchored to a secure ground pinion,  and when the gun was fired,  this piston returned the piece to battery.  ( Though the weapon still required gunner realignment to target. )

This system was by no means unique to French artillery;  indeed this particular carriage recoil was utilized by virtually all nations in the late 19th century employing heavy artillery.   It was generally not used in the field, however,  because of frequent battery position changes.   A pair of wheel ramps were used instead.

I might add that large numbers of De Bange guns were put to use by the German army to supplement their expanding artillery programs.   They prefered range as opposed to rapidity of fire for a  heavy gun,  so these rugged pieces served them reasonably well when firing in battery.

-- Edited by 28juni14 on Saturday 12th of December 2009 08:26:23 PM

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Hi

to illustrate the previous words, some schemes made by a friend of mine, Florian Garnier







Enjoy !

Bernard


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Brennan


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Great, thanks so much. I take it these are likely to used almost any time a Battery has the time to "prepare" a position etc. biggrin.gif

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28juni14


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...essentially Yes. 
Keep in mind,  at the war's beginning these systems were largely located in fortresses,  or storage, and were not organic to field division or corps.    Only after ordnance experts were sobored to the limitations of the "75",  were they pressed into widespread use again.   
As I mentioned before,  though slow firing,  these large pieces had excellent "reach".

And thanks Bernard,  for the excellent illustrations;  the first detail drawings of the recoil system I have seen!



-- Edited by 28juni14 on Monday 14th of December 2009 06:01:23 PM

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Hi Brennan, although this link doesnt have the gun your after it does have a few drawings of similar devices... see Movable and Siege Armament

Also some surviving guns http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY2.htm

Cheerssmile

-- Edited by Ironsides on Thursday 17th of December 2009 04:22:14 PM

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