Landships II

philthydirtyanimal · Commander in Chief

Emhar's Whippet; MG Question

James H · Legend

It was the Short Hotchkiss (aka the Portative, Benet-Mercier, M1909, etc) as used in the Mks I-V. Not to be confused with the�M1914 used in the French Tanks.

This is the infantry version, but apart from the stock it's the same thing.

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Hi,

Here's a couple of pics.

ChrisG

philthydirtyanimal · Commander in Chief

Thanks, Chris and James.

I had saved a Hotchkiss from a Renault FT that I have converted, and was about to use it, when a little voice said, "That's the wrong Hotchkiss!"

I have some of the infantry version and will use those.

Thanks again.

Brennan · Lieutenant-Colonel

PDA, may I ask where you acquired your supply of Hotchkiss LMG's from, as I am looking to convert the ANZAC Lewis gunner to the correct LMG for use with my NZ Brigade of Mounted Rifles!

PS do you know if the Camel Corps was infantry or Cavalry equiped? They use Infantry nomenclature, Battalions & Companies, but are in the "Cavalry" role? I ask as they co-operated significantly with the NZ Mounted Rifles & Chaytor Force.

philthydirtyanimal · Commander in Chief

The ones I will be using on this Whippet are from the 'spares box'. I think they are from Matador as I have a lot of their conversion kits, but they might be from Cromwell.

But I also have quite a stock of MGs and LMGs from a company called 'Aeroclub', available from Hannants in the UK (no idea about NZ stockists).

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=ABG020

83 pence for 2, but minimum order for us overseas is 30 quid. They do a lot of WWI guns, not just for planes. Madsens, Lewis, Hotchkiss (all types), Vickers, ParaBellum etc.

And I believe there is a company called 'Calibre 72' that also do some WWI MGs and LMGs.

With regards to the Imperial Camel Corps, I thought they were quite mixed depending on which nation they came from. I read that some ALH were forced onto camels and hated it, some Indian sections were full time cameliers even before war started, the NZ ones were mounted infantry. But I am sure there were more exceptions than there were rules. For my camelry, I am going to 'stretch the truth' and equip them with whate'er I feel like. And I'm turning the Duke of Westminster's search and rescue mission against the Senussi into a�WWI version of the LRDG (just for fun).

HTH

Brennan · Lieutenant-Colonel

RE the Cameliers, I know that there was an ANZAC Btn (2 coys NZ & 2 Coy Aus), an Australian Btn all 4 coys AUS. The rest a combination of Imperial & Indian Army. Mostly only 3 Btn's in the field with a Cammel MG Squadron, Mounted Engineers & 1 or�sometimes 2 Batteries of Indian Mountain Guns - Normally the Hong Kong & Singapore batteries. Battalion strength was approx 800. Companies with HQ, 4 troops & an LMG Troop (this initially 4 LMG's but growing). A troop as in the 30's, I think initially 32 growing to 36 or 38. The LMG troop was initially smaller.

Anzac1915 · Sergeant

Brennan,

There was a fair bit of discussion regarding a 120mm NZ Camelier that Dan Morgan was sculpting on Planet Figure.

See
http://www.planetfigure.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32319&highlight=camelier

HTH

Greg.

PS - If you know anyone with�a spare 120mm Verlinden Cavalier Dromadaire Egypt
(#1461), a Roman Dromadarius (#1200)�or a Desert Patrol figure (#1050)that they are willing to part with can you let me know?

lostiznaos · Field Marshal

I don't know if you speak about 1/72 or 1/35. Regarding 1/35, the "new" MarkV box provides much better Hotchkiss barrels.

philthydirtyanimal · Commander in Chief

Gilles, thanks for the info but I don't have enough space for 1/35, so I only do 1/72 or 1/76.

I wish Emhar down-scaled their Mark V to 1/72.

Date: Feb 25, 2010

philthydirtyanimal wrote:

I wish Emhar down-scaled their Mark V to 1/72.

You can say that again PDA. Just cannot see their logic - they make the AV7 when there were very few produced but have ignored the MkV which potentially could sell well - especially if marking for the American, Russian were also included.. The same goes for their MkIVs. They do seem to��keep pulling the plug on the male on a regular basis. yes it does have major problems but it is the only one available in 1/72!

By the way are the Lewis/hotchkiss replacements from��Matador worth getting because I am about to order the male spondons and unditching beam?

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Hughbearson · General

From what I read in 'Military Scale Modeler', Emhar have re-released their old whippet this month. They say it hasn't changed much, but it has German decals, and maybe, just maybe, new machine guns.

philthydirtyanimal · Commander in Chief

Thanks, Hughbearson.

Emhar's whippet has always had German decals included. And Japanese. And Russian. See this review by Peter Kempf, Gary Zimmer and James H Reeve:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041218000400/www.landships.freeservers.com/emhar_whippet_kitreview.htm

My model was progressing well. I used some spare MGs from 'the spares box' and got the major assemblies together. Then construction stopped because 'real world' got in the way. Yesterday, when I was back in my model-making room, I discovered the Whippet has met with a catastrophic accident; with emphasis on the 'cat'. Actually, emphasis on both cats! They are lucky they are cute!

elbavaro · Commander in Chief

cats = dog food

*ggggg*

James H · Legend

Thanks to Ironsides, pic enclosed of Short Hotchkiss Adapted for Tanks. Bag for collecting cartridge cases is shown, as is "stock and tripod for use of gun outside the Tank." The quality is as good as I can get them.

-- Edited by James H on Monday 29th of March 2010 09:36:46 PM

philthydirtyanimal · Commander in Chief

Thanks James.

Those types of Hotchkiss are available from a company called Aeroclub. The ones I used are brittle resin from Matador; they were leftovers from je ne sais what.

Its academic now as the MGs�did not survive the assault.