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elbavaro


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Dear All,

 

I have questions regarding the Lt. Vietze and Blitz. Hopefully somebody can help.

 

Regarding Lt. Vietze:

1. Was the first name of Lt. Vietze Paul?

2. As a civilian, was he a kind of engineer? Maybe a chemical engineer?

3. It is said, he emigrated to the USA after 1918. Is that for sure or could it be it was after 1945?

 

Regarding Lt. Blitz:

1. Is it possible that there was a second person with the name Blitz? Maybe this person was a Lt. too or became Lt. after 1918?

 

Kind Regards

Chris



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Hmmmm .....

according to Tankograds Beutepanzer book there was ...

a) Lt. Vietze in Abt. 14
b) Lt. Vietze in Abt. 16
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c) Lt. Vietze in Abt. 1

Same persons or 2 or 3 Vietzes?

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Same Vietze in Abt. 1, 14, and 16. He belonged to Abt. 1, but was frequently lent out in support of new formations.

He did not emigrate to the US. No information pertaining to any academic qualification.

No information available at all on a Lt. Blitz. - If you, however, mean Lt. Wilhelm Biltz (Abt. 2), no second person of this name is known with the tank detachments.



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Thank you mz!

My source regarding Vietze is "Sturmpanzerwagen A7V" (Komitee Nachbau Sturmpanzerwagen A7V, Bernard & Graefe Verlag). Page 461 shows a picture of Vietze. The text says that Vietze emigrated to the USA after 1918. His grandson - Major (US Army) Hatfiled lend photo for the book.

Well .... this can't be true, because I have written evidence that Paul Vietze lived in Germany between 1935 and 1943. It seems that he was in America (maybe South America) for a German company - as an engineer. So my thought was, that maybe someone mixed up a few things and he maybe emigrated after 1945.

Or ... there is another Vietze who served in WW1 in the German tank force. However .... definately a Paul Vietze was member of the "Kameradschaft der ehem. schweren Kampfwagenabteilungen".

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Vietze did not emigrate; he stayed in Germany, did not participate in WW 2 as a soldier, and died in the 1950ies. I had a brief chat with Mr. Hatfield some years ago.

Apart from the Nachbau-Committee book, what's your source on him?

I've taken 'Paul' as his Christian name into my database (with questionmark), but would prefer further clarification.



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But where did the rumor "emigrated" come from? From his job after 1918 maybe?

Yes, I can confirm, he did not participate in WW2 as soldier.

My source are personel documents of him. Some postcards to him are titled with "Oberingenieur".



-- Edited by elbavaro on Monday 16th of January 2012 11:13:22 PM

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Would fit, he was a military engineer (PiBtl 30) in the Great War. - I have him living in Berlin in the 1930ies (NW 40, Thomasiusstraße).



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I can confirm the adress.

I have postcards, letters or receipts:
dated from March 267th 1935 adressed to Paul Vietze in Köln (Cologne)
dated from June 11th 1937 to March 29th 1941 adressed to Paul Vietze in Thomasiusstr. 8, Berlin

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Just removed the question mark. Fine, another piece of the puzzle... Many thanks!



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Welcome!

btw: Vietzes signature is a very childish one; a little bit playful. Compared to Theunissens signature, wich is a very male one, very dominant, Vietzes looks ugly.

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Any first name for Theunissen?



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Of course! I have a handwritten CV - dated April 12th 1922.

It starts with the words "I, Heinz Gerhart Theunissen, was born ...".

Hope that helped. ;o))

Once I was thinking of a (Excel) list of WW1 and Freikorps tankers. Anyone who can deliver a piece of the puzzle could fill in.



-- Edited by elbavaro on Tuesday 17th of January 2012 08:42:50 PM

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Magnificent! Thanks a lot. - Actually, I'm maintaining such a list, although it's far from complete.



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Well ..... mine too ....

What are you planning to put in your list?

Name, First name, task in "tank force"?, last rank in ww1?
dates of birth? dates of death?
Only officers? Or NCOs and soldiers too?
Only WW1? Or post war too (like "Schwerer Kampfwagenzug Theunissen"?
Or what will be in? I am eager to know.

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Officers, NCOs and Men. - (Tank and other) unit(s), rank, name, first name, original unit they came from, any special information.



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Sounds good ....

Freikoprs / Reichswehr too?

"AC-tankers" too?

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So far: tank detachments, BAKP 20, and staff of officer commanding the tank detachments.

The scant information available to me about personnel of the AC units and the Freikorps, I still can manage without matrix.



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