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I have this post card - Italian caption - of French guns mounted on trucks.  I'm guessing they are around 155mm, but can't get a precise identification from Kosar's book.  Any assistance appreciated...



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Not surprised the gun isn't in Kosar's book - it looks like a fairly old gun - I think it's a Canon de 155 C Mle 1881-1912 de Bange-Filloux

 

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Charlie, I think you might be right... I took a look at a few photos of the de Bange-Filloux 155mm and 120mm from that time period...and there are similarities. I also found this gun captioned: "Canon de 155 C modèle 1881-1912 de Bange-Filloux"

It seems a lot of these guns received an additional steel support on the sides of the carriage; these truck-mounted guns appear to have that modification as well.

 

 



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Two images of the Canon de 155c mle 1888-1912 (images have been enhanced)

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L'artillerie de terre en France pendant un siècle,  histoire technique 1880-1910 

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Règlement de manoeuvre de l'artillerie à pied. Service des Bouches a Feu 

both worth a look.

 

 

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Thank you, Ironsides. Those images are great. Yet they do bring back a little doubt that the guns on the trucks are the same. The bedding on your images is longer; of course, it could have been shortened to fit on the truck...

I wonder if these were fired from the truck...

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There is a description in the books but needs be translated, from what I remember the gun was modified to improve recoil return to battery and rate of fire, I think the extended frame is what the gun on its cradle slides down/up as it recoils and is a separate component... there is I believe a hydralic brake/recuperator attached at the front that isnt in the pics..

 

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The more I look, I still think the Canon de 155c mle 1888-1912 is the likely choice.  The hydraulic brake/recuperatoris a clue...  The truck-mounted guns seem to have the same cylinder at the front that this image has...  I'm thinking the bedding has been indeed shortened to fit the truck.

 

 



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IrishGunner wrote:

I have this post card - Italian caption

 For what's worth, the caption isn't written in Italian



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Massimo Foti wrote:
IrishGunner wrote:

I have this post card - Italian caption

 For what's worth, the caption isn't written in Italian

 

You are, of course, correct.  My apologies.  I should've known better since I know that artillery in Italian is ... artiglieria

The caption is Spanish.



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Indeed it's Spanish. I think I have the same photo on a book on the "Gran Guerra Mundial", published in 1919 in Spain, probably a translation from some American author with addenda of many South American countries policies during the war.
BTW, to me those guns doesn't seem to be "mounted" but just transported, without their carriage wheels, on the flatbeds of the trucks. They are not intended to fire from them.

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d_fernetti wrote:

Indeed it's Spanish. I think I have the same photo on a book on the "Gran Guerra Mundial", published in 1919 in Spain, probably a translation from some American author with addenda of many South American countries policies during the war.
BTW, to me those guns doesn't seem to be "mounted" but just transported, without their carriage wheels, on the flatbeds of the trucks. They are not intended to fire from them.

 

Thank you for your comments.  I think you correct; they would be difficult to fire from the truck it appears.  Lot's of muscle getting them up and down from the truck though.



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Well, they had plenty of poilus to heave them up and down!

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The de Bange-Filloux weighed about 4.7 tons - need lots of poilus (about 100 of them) or block and tackle and a couple of ramps.

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CharlieC wrote:

The de Bange-Filloux weighed about 4.7 tons - need lots of poilus (about 100 of them) or block and tackle and a couple of ramps.

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I wonder if it was a one time move for some reason...



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