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treizecinq


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Hello,

I'm working on a project about 1st tank vs tank battle | Near VB | France.

To a better understanding :

Some 3D interactive views will explain this battle, memorials, battle plans, tank in action, ...

The project will be use by visitors on a "multimedia table"

If you have a good PC and a recent browser you can have an idea of what it look like on this page.

It's an exemple (a FT17 you can play with ). It's to be use with leapJs in a local storage, so may be, sometimes it don't load at 100% => so press the key "F5" to refresh the page.

[[ This is just a demo to test my code, the light, mapping, texture, ...]]

There's no additional tool to download (Exemple : Flash player) but you have to use a recent browser (chrome, Firefox, ... Not I.E.)

Drag the view or drag the red circle on the left to play with a tank | Not so easy to do because it's not like a car.

 

Well, now, if you have seen an exemple, my problem is :

I want to create a 3D view of Mephisto, and when I made the camo, it's seem to be very different of the views that I've found on internet.

(photos of this tank in the AWM, models, ...)

The camo don't be like cloud (but seem to be like separatives curves | between colors )

Colors seems to be too much green in AWM (Sorry for my bad english spoken, it's not my native language and have a poor vocabulary )
May be the photos are gamma modified ?

Can someone give me the original colors.
(To be open mind, and don't follow a bad way, I've searched myself and now want to have specialists point of view.

My colors :a7v_4.png 
I live in la Somme close to VB, the area is called 'Santerre', the origin of this name was 'Sana terra' who can be translate 'Good ground' or 'Bloody ground' => Ground color => Clay, argil.

These colors are ground color in this Somme area (May be chalk color was not on my colors scheme (Yellow chalk and white chalk )

Sorry for my poor English spoken.

 

And when i follow and replace camo on the 3D view, it's this :

(Rivets and part of the original picture can be seen under the texture mapping)a7v_2.pnga7v_1.pnga7v_3.png

 

 

Am I in a bad way ?

Thks to your advices.

Yves

 



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Incorrect identification of Renault FT - first warning

 

What has #506 Mephisto from Abt. 3 got to do with the action between the Mark IVs and #561 Nixe from Abt. 2? 

Mephisto was late into the action, it had mechanical problems. The visibility was poor with a fairly dense ground fog as well

as the smoke from artillery bursts. The tank fell into a large shell - the tank couldn't get out. It was abandoned and remained

in the hole until July when it was retrieved by vehicles from the 1st Gun Carrier Company with help from the 26th Bn AIF.

Charlie

 



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CharlieC wrote:

 

Incorrect identification of Renault FT - first warning

 

??? It was only to give an idea of the project.

I can't be perfect. Can be better with more time.

It take time to code  .js, .html, .css, Ajax, .php, jQuery, threeJs, LeapJs, D3js, ...
It take time to modelise 3D, create mapping, create texture, retouch photo, ...
It take time to search historical informations, ressources, blueprints, sounds,...

You know, it's not easy to be fullstack developper. Days are too short 8)



-- Edited by treizecinq on Tuesday 12th of September 2017 12:26:42 PM

I understand, sorry.

Of course it's an a7v, but to explain that i want to do with, i've make a link to a test page

ft.png

 

 



-- Edited by treizecinq on Tuesday 12th of September 2017 12:42:26 PM

An other link

http://historial-14-18.com/mark_IV/markIV_min.html

mk.png



-- Edited by treizecinq on Tuesday 12th of September 2017 01:01:05 PM

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treizecinq wrote:

It's an exemple (a FT17 you can play with ). It's to be use with leapJs in a local storage, so may be, sometimes it don't load at 100% => so press the key "F5" to refresh the page.

[[ This is just a demo to test my code, the light, mapping, texture, ...]]

 

 And about the camo ?

Am I on the right way ?

 

a7v_5.pnga7v_6.png



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Yves,

If I understand you correctly, there are a couple of things that need explaining.

A small point: we don't refer to the "FT 17", because that was not the name of the tank. It was the Renault FT.

Also, it seems that you have mixed up Mephisto and Nixe. The A7V you show in your photographs is Mephisto, painted as it looked in July 1918 after it had been recovered from the battlefield near Villers-Bretonneux. That painting was done by British and Australian troops. During the battle of V-B, Mephisto broke down behind German lines and never reached Allied trenches.

It was Nixe that took part in the first tank v tank combat.



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In the Tankograd book on the A7V Starsheim & Hundleby offer the opinion that the A7Vs were finished in "feldgrau" at the factory

and were delivered to B.A.K.P. 20 at Charleroi in this colour. They offer the hypothesis that green, red-brown and cream colours

used on the A7Vs were from stocks of Belgian railway paint. The replica A7V "Schnuck" now at the Bovington Tank Museum was

painted in consultation with Max Hundleby so it may represent a pretty good guess at the likely colours of the A7Vs. The replica A7V

doesn't use green as a camouflage colour - as a starting point the green may have been similar to the French "vert-olive".

 

The painting of the lion on the side of Mephisto applied after it was retrieved perhaps was done by the Australian artist Arthur Streeton -

he was in the vicinity of Mephisto when it was at Vaux but there's no direct evidence beyond the obvious quality of the artwork.

Charlie



-- Edited by CharlieC on Wednesday 13th of September 2017 06:15:14 AM

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The first five A7Vs - 501, 505, 506, 507 and 540 - sent to France looked rather dark. This may have been a dark green colour, as is suggested by some greenish morsels of paint found on 506 by the Queensland Museum staff in the 1970ies, or a brownish grey, as is suggested by some pieces of German artwork from the 1930ies. - For the mission on March 21st, 1918, these tanks (save 540, sent back to Daimler's) were camouflaged by the crews "with whatever was at hand" and makeshift Iron Crosses. After that mission, the tanks were turned in at B.A.K.P. 20 and received the camouflage that was also applied to the captured Mk.IVs: green, clay-yellow and redbrown with neat Iron Crosses. This was how they fought at V.-B. on April 24th, 191ß (except 505, which had arrived late and had not yet been repainted when shipped out again. - 505 was only repainted after V.-B.).

The A7Vs arriving later (503, 504, 541, 542, 543 and the whole second lot) are the ones that look rather light coloured on delivery, which may suggest a standard German fieldgrey coat of paint. Once arrived at Monceau-sur-Sambre, they were also eventually repainted in green, clay-yellow and redbrown. (This is the general outline, however, individual tanks may in fact not have been completely repainted when sent out to V.-B.)  



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Amazing.
You are amazing !!!

Many many thanks for your help, informations and advices.

Now :

1 | I have to read (and translate all these informations )

2 | Read a book suggested by Gwyn

3 | Finish a generic a7V [[ 3d model & mapping ]]

4 | Show you the camo and I'll make modifications with your advices.

 

My starting point to the color will be like A7V on these photos below, after, i'll make modifications

IMG_5202.JPGIMG_5203.JPGIMG_5204.JPGIMG_5205.JPGIMG_5206.JPG



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The rivets are overscale on that model of Mephisto.

Most of the rivets are 20mm diameter with a small number 15mm diameter.

I can confirm by observation this is so.

The side plates on the model are wrong - Mephisto had Rochling armour so the side plates are one piece.

Charlie

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Wednesday 13th of September 2017 10:11:21 AM

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I vaguely remember having seen this model in the V.-B. museum. Note, however, that 506 neither had a commander's hatch nor a compass cupola, but only an open circular hole remaining from the removed flashlight device (in the right-hand forward corner of the top plate). 



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treizecinq, I can't help you on your question, but would like to tell you that I really like what you already have achieved. Even if the models are not finished yet, they are better than a lot of the stuff that can be found online, and I know that the programming behind all this is very difficult. I wish I had your knowledge about this!

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Wow, many thanks.
I'm very happy to read this.
I'm working on some projects in the same time.
If you like it, and if you want, you can send me a private message with your mail adress.
I'll send you some informations, screen-copies, and prototype to have your point of view. (User view)

Thanks thorst

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