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Roger Todd


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Recently, questions were asked about a steam ploughing engine pictured towing a beute tank. The possibility of building a model to make a diorama was floated. I found a small drawing by John Haining of a Fowler ploughing engine, similar to the one in the photo.


Well, near the bottom of this page...


http://www.camdenmin.co.uk/GenBkSteam.htm


...is a book by Mr Haining called Introducing Model Traction Engine Construction. I don't own a copy, but it might be worth investigating by anyone interested in modelling these interesting vehicles.


Incidentally, although I know no-one connected with Camden Books, I have ordered from them before and their service is superb. It's well worth perusing the rest of their site. They are also the European distributors of this fascinating sounding book, Munitions of War: Report on the 1867 Paris Exhibition, which I plan to order next week:


http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks10/muni/index.html



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Regarding traction engines I would remind you that Scale Link have a nice range in 1:32 for sale from South Eastern Finecast. See them on http://www.scalelink.co.uk/acatalog/Steam_Vehicles___Scale_1_32.html The range also includes a steam roller and Foden steam lorries.

I have built the Aveling & Porter 10 t. steam roller and I have only good things to say about the kit. Probably the most luxuriously packed kit I have ever built! Parts easy to clean up, fit was good, instructions better than most minor manufacturers. I wouldn't advice anyone to do the steam roller as their first white metal kit - pretty complicated construction due to the transmission mounted on top of the boiler.

See my kit during assembly and as finished on http://new.photos.yahoo.com/gaz410/albums/ choose folder Aveling steam roller.

I know of no other manufacturer of traction engines in 1:32/1:35 but has seen a good deal in 1:87 for model railways. Probably some British manufacturer has one for sale in 00 (1:76)?

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I'm a bit confused by the finer points of this, but I do know that Keil Kraft had some Fowlers amongst their range of antique vehicles, and they claimed to be 1/72. See pictures.

The very interesting thing is this: Keil Kraft disappeared years ago. They were taken over by a company called Amerang, and haven't been heard of since. You can find the original kits on the Internet, but they tend to be very expensive - £25 and more in some cases.

However, this company claims to have the range in stock at £4.99 each. They seem to have acquired the moulds.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/knightwing/list.htm

I haven't tried them, but if anyone's sufficiently interested it might be worth a go. Scroll down till you gat to Plastic Road Vehicle Kits.

Ooh, my toolbar seems to have disappeared now.

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James H wrote:



Ooh, my toolbar seems to have disappeared now.

 



Join the club. - I note that when I bring your post up as a quote all the html codes are visible. As far as I can see the web site hosts have done something that a number of existing established browsers don't like.

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Same here. It's all beyond me.

Anyway, I don't think that link works. This might:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/knightwing/list.htm#ooplas

They only have some of the range, but it includes the B-type Bus.

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I have built a Keil Kraft kit, they are very nice.

All the best
Tim R


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I have been toying with the idea of a gun being towed by a Traction Engine and have been mulling over scales. Seeing the Keil Kraft makes me think this is the scale to go for, bigger is better for detail though the choice seems to be less, this seems par for the course with all modelling subjects.
You can't seem to stick with particular scales. I started doing 1/48th armour but recently have had to do 35th to do what I fancy, ok so I'm a bit of a girly girl and sometimes choose pretty looking things, some of you might wonder what is exactly pretty about a mkIV, mind you I could really answer that I just do. Armoured cars are very pretty though, heck I'm a contradiction at times as well.

So yes now I come to the point...I'm going to look for Keil Kraft traction in the train shops and take it from there. Now does anyone know of a gun to go with them?biggrin


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Hi Fiona Bunny, you may find this thread of some interest...

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=10783605

in my first post there pic 3,4,5(1-5 from the same album) are from the same road train which appears to be for a 30.5cm Küstenmörser (Beta Gerate) thanks to Arie Dijkhuis for the ID, the nice thing is its entirely covered in canvas so not so difficult to model...
also I think some 21cm Mörser M10/16s, Matador do a version of this gun in 1/76...

You might consider ebay as a source for keil kraft these turn up fairly frequently...

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If you wanted to do a British gun, I think the biggest and heaviest you can get, that comes with a limber, is the 60-pounder from Matador Models:

There are heavier British guns to be found, but none, I believe, with a limber.

I got my Keil Kraft 'Showman's Traction Engine' from ebay. Actually I got all my Keil Kraft kits from ebay. (If Airfix were genuinely interested in winning more customers, surely they would buy the old Keil Kraft moulds; lots of softskins for us WW1 model makers). A tip; a search on ebay for 'keilkraft' yields different results to a search for 'keil kraft', and both usually come up with 2 or 3 traction engines. Although after a post like this on Landships, there is usually a price blip. It calms down after about a week, so set up your ebay searches and wait!

Matador also make a Holt tractor. Not quite a traction engine.

As a suggestion for a pretty model, how about a Boer War example of a road train:



Suitable Keil Kraft kits for moderate conversion work are, as James says, perhaps:



-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 7th of May 2010 01:39:13 PM

-- Edited by philthydirtyanimal on Friday 7th of May 2010 01:42:25 PM

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Thank you both for the advice. A lot of food for thought there and some nice pieces.
Thanks again for the advice to a novice, I'll keep you posted as to my work as it comes along.
Right now I'm working on an Emhar tank and the Alan SiG33 Bison II, not a Great War subject but a nice model. I also have to finish my Sea Witch clipper and the Boeing SST...argghhhhh...to much to do so little time.

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History and development of steam locomotion on common roads (1891)
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Hi All

Comprhensive PDF book with lots of usefull info and drawing here

History and development of steam locomotion on common roads (1891)

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Mechanical traction in war for road transport, with notes on automobiles generally (1900)
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Hi all, clinking on the link downloads the book 5 meg PDF doc...

This is an excellent book well worth the read with plenty of images...

Mechanical traction in war for road transport, with notes on automobiles generally (1900)

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