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Gentlemen,
wanted to share this point of view.
How it could be for example, that , apart from the (rare to get one) RPM kit for 1/35 and the  72 scale Revel rendering, yet the "leaders" as Trumpeter, Tamiya; Dragon , HELLER(!!!) or Italerei have not been yet able to consider such an important subjet as the FT 17?
They released dozens of variations of classical tanks, as Panzers I to V,Shermans, etc. each one in almost any version that existed and also several versions that never were beyond the drawings,  nevertheless now we have again a new tide of the same classics...again panzers, shermies, etc.  this time with "new tooling mould improvements", interior, tracks lik by link....but the same song again!
That remenbers me the saga in the 80s´of the F4 PHANTOM jet  versions, at least 20 from different japanese makes,  plus half a dozen more from western makes, so, being myself almost 50 years old I can easily count more than 35 different homenajes to the F4  included any scale, 72,144, 48, 50, 32...
And just the one RPM  FT 17 injected, the lonely Marks from Emhar, a sole FIAT &         A7V from Tauro.
Apologies if I forget any other make, whose effort I salute with all respect.
The curious thing is that, I insist, we are not speaking about it has being badly neglected nothing less than the basements of armored warfare.
The propose, can do we adress to the model makers? Open to debate and propositions.
Best regards,
EDUARDO

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They make 'em because they sell!  Having been a schoolboy in WWII and well aware of what was going on, it always amazes me that the younger generations are so keen about Nazi stuff.  Perhaps they have no sense of history.

Al



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Dear colleague, I mostly agree with your explanation, but at first glance.
 And I am sure You will agree , why not find room whithin the myriad of contemporary jets from any nation, or whithin the AFV and figures from the cold war, ie. or the endless saga of  Vietnam & Iraqui wars figures Dragon gave us , and yet they did never release a simple WW1 figures box!(ICM exception excluded)  Much modellers elevated a pray for a Scud, nowadays we have at least 3 differents and excellent model of ballistic sistems, very nive looking in their big size boxes,  Scud, Skrulls, Sams...
We have even have had a golden era for ISRAELI ARMY, plenty of those interesting armor, whit (again)2  different models of Shermans (-This time Super Shermans-) from both DRAGON & ACADEMY), and the same for M-60 Blazer, T-55 captured and from the URSS block, and more.
Several ABRHAMS,  post war to the present is a third of the catalogue of the mayor makes far from any doubt.
No room in this third part for a brave RENAULT FT, a tank that fought in 2 world wars and also in several foreign armies  & campaignes...History did not started in the late 30s! Yes,they have no sense of history.
So the problem In my modest opinion is not only limited to any preference for ww2,
I think you are indeed right,  after all, they make because they sell.
They just make what they think is the only thing that sales...
Well , if they tried releasing once a decent FT, they sold a lot !
Don´t you think so?
Very best regards,
EDUARDOsmile

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I am in complete agreement with Eduardo's frustration and Al's exasperation. I have asked (many people have asked) why certain subjects are made over and over again, and the only sensible answer is because they sell well; one good answer said, 'its the closest the manufacturers can legally get to printing money'. That explains why they are made but not why they are so popular. Maybe it is a case of 'the public wants what the public gets'.

I have 'petitioned' HaT, Revell and Airfix to make various subjects, and I will happily continue to do so. It amuses me, but I have had no success at all, so far!

Perhaps we could use this thread to show links to a company's 'suggestion page' or 'opinion/vote on future sets page'? I don't know how to contact most of the companies Eduardo mentions, but would definitely do so.

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Thank You Philty D.,
absolutely agreed, we should start (I invite anyone interested) to join this thread so, making mine my comrade words, use this thread to link to a company's 'suggestion page' or 'opinion/vote on future sets page' . I have started to working searching such link/contac/suggestin page.
Any adition welcome.
Best regardssmile

Eduardo



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Shortly after deciding that I would get more satisfaction from modelling Great War subjects, a similar thread appeared on another site and I happily sent requests to the major companies ----
most of them did not even bother to reply. But I am more than willing to give it another go.


I thought I had missed getting one but this shop in Warsaw, Poland, has plenty of the FT-17 of all types, http://www.jadarhobby.pl/

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Hello Dear Paul,
indeed I have been trying ( and still I am) with tamiya adresses, http://www.tamiya.com/, sent several mails asking for any proforma or something so.
No response up to now...

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Hello Dear Paul, welcome to the thread.
indeed I have been trying ( and still I am) with Tamiya  E-adresses, http://www.tamiya.com/,  fun, in the customer service chapter, you will find an infinetely repeated , "Please contact your local retailer or local agent listed
dot_invisible.gifon our web site."
  I have sent several mails asking for any proforma or something so to several local agents.
No response up to now...
best regardssmile



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May I add my 2 cents here?
A few years ago, WW1 aircraft modelers had the same question: why no more WW1 wings in the shops? To certain extent, our prayers have got resusts, when Toko  -later Roden- Eduard, and some good quality resin kits were released. The icing on the cake was the recent appareance of Wingnuts Kits, the extraordinary New Zealand company that makes near-to-perfect 1:32 scale kits.
However, WW1 keeps being a niche market. Scale models of that era are seen by the wide audience as obscure, complex and crude, when that's a completely erronoeus conception given because the most known kits of them were produced in the 50s when plastic models were conceived as toys, and were crude and easy to assemble, with thick parts to endure the young hands to which they were destined.
A few months ago, talking to a keen tank modeler of WW2 subjects, he complained that tanks in WW1 was nothing but steel pots with primitive track systems. A common misconception.
Surely this leads to poor sales of early armored vehicles and artillery kits, and that's what the kits manufacturers see in their marketing polls: they won't risk the considerable amount of money they must spend to release a new kit in a subject which is unknown and probably don't sell as much than a surefire nazi tank with zimmerit and swastikas all over. They just don't even think of it.
Just watch what happened to Eduard and Roden: they started in WW1 subjects for our niche market, then, when their models start selling well, they switched to more profitable releases, like Me109s and WW2 armored vehicles. It's the driving force of the mass market and unless there's a Peter Jackson with loads of money to risk in a WW1 subject, we won't see any mass-produced WW1 subject.
So, mes amis, let's keep our styrene sheets handy, because we will be scratchbuilding and kitbashing for a long time...

-- Edited by d_fernetti on Friday 11th of September 2009 12:07:42 PM

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Hola querido Colega! Un gran abrazo...

Indeed I agree with you at all...and  particulary on the misconception about WW1 AFV as "steel pots with primitive track systems"!
Very clever your observation on Eduard change of direction.
 That failed there , I think, was that a part of the consumers market failed at recognizing the refreshing posibilitty of something truly new in tyhe catalogs.
So that leaded EDUARD to the more common a" safe"path.

The media yet does not contribute, how many WW1 based on celebrated Films, far beyond the 4 or five classical fims, one can remember? so your point on  Peter Jackson could not be more accurate.

Best regards, Ed





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Hi all

well, there is another sad example. The US manufacturer "Commader Series" used to offer 1/32 kits of a Schneider Tank, a St Chamond, and... a 21cm Morser (yes, I'm into Artillery !).

I promised myself to buy these when I'm living for a while in USA. Well, here I am, but Commader stopped that production and is only offering ships.

They should still have the molds and drawings for the former kits, so developpement fees would be zero. Would they resume that fabrication if we were interested and show a market ?

Bernard

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I am certainly surprised that even  most resin manufacturers do not consider WW1 as a chance...whith some exceptions like Retro...

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Hi
I thought I would join in on the discussion as you are aware it is some time since I set up W^D models. OK so far I have brought out the figure sets but as the website suggests there is also the A/C guns etc to be released. I had no idea how long it would take to choosing a particular kit to when the actual kit would come out. The Dennis has taken so long in that I was unhappy about some of the castings the mudgaurds in particular,so I searched for an etcher at last I found one but it has taken months to sort things out At last I am almost there. The rest of the masters are with the castors and trying to keep the quality to the same standards as the figures means that it is a fair investment in getting them done. They will get done but I a m a small manufacturer and have found out it does take a lot of effort and capitol.
But the reward of producing good quality kits is worth it. There may not be a lot of us 1 War modellers out there but be patient we will get there!!!!

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Thank You for Joining us!
Indeed I salute any private effort aligned with the risky bussines of small manufacturer´s entertprise. Besides the non well known aspects You illustrated us, I suddenly noticed that as for example VLS and othr"mayoR" resin companies also dedicates a few fo their range to WW1, With some decent exception as RETRO
Eduardo

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Airfix make, made, or will make, two 1/76 Tank Mark I (male & female), 1/76 German, French, American & British Infantry (and RHA), and 1/32 Model T Fords, Rolls Royce, Ole Bill Bus and Dennis Fire Engine. They can be contacted, and they respond to emails:
http://www.airfix.com/contact-us/

HaT make many 1/72 Infantry and Artillery sets, and two 1/72 Renault FT tanks. They can be contacted in their forum, or by email:
http://www.hat.com/emalehat.gif

Roden make a 1/35 Rolls Royce Armoured Car, 1920 Pattern. They can be emailed:
roden@rodenplant.com









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Thank You a lot, Philty
indeed Airfix( the lovely and venerable!) is a major make that honoured WW1 more than once. An example to follow, the complete line of AIRFIX is a demonstratin on how one can build a strong reputation based on the idea of diversity.
I salute them...
best regards, Ed

-- Edited by EDUARDO MAMORETTI on Saturday 17th of October 2009 08:05:16 PM

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There are a number of WW1 tanks in resin for the 28mm (1:56) wargames market from Old glory, Brigade Games, Great War Miniatures

Keith

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Eduardo

  The only FT-17 kit I ever saw was a Matchbox 1/76 WWII diorama combo with the giant Char B, and that was20 something years ago! In that scale it was miniscule but still a very good kit. I have read that someone is using those old moulds but I don't know the brand name. Anyone know?

  Emhar has promised a Scheider for years, and as usual for them, it still remains where????

  I am currently converting a Tauro 1/35 Fiat 3000 from 1920 which is a virtual copy of the Renault. It is a very good kit but is a rare diamond, like their A7-Vs.

  Trying to get WWI vehicles is hard enough, just try to get some warships! There are more 1/350 ships from the battle of Tsushima of 1905 than Jutland 1916. Where is the genius behind this?

  I liked one comment about Airfix and their policy of diversity. I must have built at least out of every one of their ranges as a child, until I found the loves of my life (anything from the great war - ships, planes, tanks, figures)

  Saying that, I am still waiting for them to reissue their 1/76 biplanes and 1/32 vintage cars. The fun to be had with them.

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davros, the Matchbox Renault and Char BI were re-released by Revell.

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RPM
1/35
Ford Tc, Ford T truck, Ford T M.M.G.S., 75mm Schneider M1897,Ft-17 family
1/72
Ford Tc, Ford T ambulance, Ford T M.M.G.S., Ft-17 family, Mack family
regards
Andrzej Gomela

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thanks for that, I will have to keep a sharp eye out

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