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When I did my last conversion a number of Hat Forum members asked if I could look at the rereleased British WWI RHA & see what was doable to get a good 13pdr out of it. Well here is my attempt! I have focussed on the 13pdrs key visible features. I have also tried to keep things simple & avoid fiddly. Additionally, I have done my best to keep as much of the original model as practical. Due to these considerations each stage needs photos from several angles to illustrate things. 

Stage I. This looks at the additional pieces needed & the cuts to be made to the original model. 

  1. The Additional Pieces.

·         Rod 2mm diameter & 11mm or 12mm long

·         4mm diameter tube section 3mm long

·         Rod 2mm diameter & 4mm long

·         2.4mm wide U channel section 9mm long

·         4 strips of 1mm wide (0.4 mm thick) strip each 16mm long

·         Some fine brass beading wire

 

  1. The cuts / changes to the Model
    • There are two areas painted Yellow both these when cut off need to be kept as they have s use in the conversion!
    • 1st yellow area is the front 3mm of the recuperator over the gun tube. This will form part of the new breech. See Stage Ic
    • 2nd yellow area is the bottom 4mm of the models gun shield. Looking at Stage Ib it is from just under the spur for the axel tree. This becomes the new top section of the gun shield.
    • The 3rd section to be kept is the Pole Trail (though I havent bothered to mark it with paint). This will need a further cut to realign it before pinning back on.
    • Next are the areas painted White, these are cut off & discarded. Please look at All Stage I photos to see these.
    • 1st Remove all but the last 3mm or 4mm of the recuperator over the gun tube forward of the gun shield. This needs to be done all the way through the flat section representing the barrel slide track. See Ia & Ic photos.
    • Photos Ia & Ib show the area where the trail joins on the model. There is a white line at the top of the trail cut through here.
    • Then cut out the white square just under the back of the recuperator. You need to be careful as the elevation wheel is moulded on the opposite side! A new breech section will fit into this space.
    • Next, the final of the 3 rings around the back of the recuperator needs to be shaved off there are only 2 on the actual gun.
    • Finally cut off the towing pin under the pole trail. When finished the conversion is rather nose heavy so needs the trail to sit flush.

 

  1. Making up the components.

·         Fit the 11/12mm section of rod into the section of 4mm tube, glue. After it is dry cut off a bottom cord of the tube flush with the rod. This forms the basis of the new forward recuperator section. The wider section of Tube represents the bright metal fitting just behind the rope wrapped section on the gun.

·         To produce the effect of the rope wrapped section on the gun, tightly wind brass beading wire along the rod section stopping approx 2mm short of the end. To start this process I glue the start of the wire onto the flat section under the tube. I find that I mostly need to do a double wind (compressing periodically) to get the right density & thickness. To finish I run the wire end back along the bottom gluing back under the tube flat section.

·         Glue the salvaged front 3mm of the recuperator to the 4mm section of Rod. This is the missing bit of the barrel & the breech piece.

·          Take the 2.4mm channel section & cut an angle from half way along to half way down the width. This forms the breech ejection guard stopping ejected cases collecting the gun layer.

·         Finally re-cut the Pole trail end to approx 67 degrees. Drill the new cut & drill the base of the gun approx a third of the way between the spur (for the axel) & the cut rear.

 Stage II. This shows the completed components around the cut down model.

  1. Fitting the components

·         Glue the old base of the gun shield to the top. Let set then add the four 1mm strips down the front face starting with the Outside pair. I found that it was necessary to crimp a curve into the strips to get them to fit the profile of the gun shield. Unless you are particularly dexterous I suggest waiting till the outer pair set before doing the inner pair.

·         Fit and glue the new recuperator section above the barrel, some additional trimming may be needed to get it to sit well.

·         Fit & glue the breech section under the rear of the recuperator. It needs to fit so that the salvaged piece is just to the rear of the recuperator. It can be pinned but this is fiddly & should be unnecessary once the guard & trail are added.

·         Fit & glue the breech ejection guard to the left side so it fits just behind the elevation wheel moulded on the original model.

·         Pin, fit & glue the trail back on. I find that this works better if I put the pin in the Gun Model, fit the trail on it at right angles to the model, apply glue & then rotate the trail into position.

 Stage III. This shows the completed conversion.

  1. Things Not Done & Why.

·         There is a lower section to the gun shield, which sits folded up under the axel tree. As I have yet to see a photo with this section deployed & it cant otherwise be seen I have left it off.

·         Gunners seats & wheel brakes. On the 13pdr the Gunners seats & wheel brakes are on a skeleton frame attached to the top & bottom of the pole trail. I could not get this frame to attach in a sufficiently robust way so left them off.

·         Sights, these are very fine & fragile. Plus the sights cannot normally be seen on the model in a war-game, so were an unnecessary complexity.

·         There are two fins / rings on the back of the gun tube just as on the recuperator, however they were too fine for me to make & fit so..

Hope this meets the needs of those who requested it & any one else looking for a WWI 13pdr for their Imperial Horse Artillery.

All comments, suggestions & improvements welcome.

Regards,

Brennan Tate (New Zealand).

 

 



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Very nice Brennan. Do you have a large collection of model guns? I have some Britains pieces but not the 18inch howitzer. I am always on the lookout for one and would like several as I reckon that a battery of them would make for an interesting diorama.

-- Edited by sandy1000 on Thursday 18th of February 2010 01:00:13 PM

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Mostly stuff in 1/72 scale, also all for various wargame armies. Currently the group I game with most has been interested in WWI so I have others to help sustain my motivation!

I have a couple more conversions & a scratch build almost ready to post.

Cheers,

Brennan

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New wheels would be a major improvement. Would it not be possible to make the seats using the method used by Emhar, with a slot going into a groove in the trail? A rear spade would be a major improvement too. I'm getting some walkaround photos of the 'Nery gun' 13 pdr at the IWM hopefully next week, i'll post them up and can e-mail them to those it would be of use for

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Unfortnately I tried with the seats & brakes to do just that. The outcome is either an exceptionally fragile attachment OR a dangerously weak trail. As I am doing a gamming model neither was (in my view) acceptable.

The Emhar gun has these things designed in & in a hard plastic that responds well to styrene glue! Doing so as a conversion to the flexible plastic of the "Airfix" WWI gun (wether Hat or Airfix produced) is an entirely different proposition unfortunately.

If others can do so OR they can accept the fragility fine!

Brennan

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Is the Airfix release soft plastic as well? Bought some HaT German Artillery a while back and was surprised, and dissapointed, with how soft the plastic was

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An excellent conversion, Brennan. Or I should say, another excellent conversion!

Worth doing because this is the only 13-pounder available. Fine Scale Factory used to make one, but they seem to have gone out of business. (I would love for someone to correct me about that.) It's quite shocking just how few kits are available of British equipment.

Perhaps the seats could be attached to the crewman's posterior, and then the crewman attached to the ground?

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I have a feeling that WD Models plans to release a 13 pounder at some point, it's not on their website but i'm sure Barry will confirm/deny!

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Hi Brennan, for the brakes and seats, the best way I found is to drill a hole in the trail and push through a piece of plastic rod this should be a tight fit so doesnt need gluing.. glue the brake shoes to the wheels and carefully bend the rod till it meets and glue it, add seats and lower bar.....
For the trail either fix the gun to a base and glue spade to the end of the trail, or drill a hole lengthways in the trail insert a piece of rod, tight fit again and attach the spade hook to that...
usually I pin everything I can before gluing sometimes using heat to weld together using a low temp soldering iron and a shaving of suitable plastic usually part of the sprue from the kit.....
As rob points the wheels need to be flatter, a problem I havent solved yet...

PDA there are other 13prs available unfortunatly I dont know what their like... this one ses 25mm but as its an old one it probarbly means 25mm to 6ft so should be ok.... it is Tradition so should be good..

http://www.spencersmithminiatures.co.uk/tradition/miscartillery.html

its really cheap too

Cheerssmile

-- Edited by Ironsides on Friday 19th of February 2010 03:03:48 PM

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To clarify Rob's statement W^D will be releasing a kit of the 18pdr and limbers. The gun is whitemetal the limbers a whitemetal/resin mix
I have thje "tests" withy me and I will be building them next. Once I have done that I will post some pics on the Forum.But it is a complex kit (includes the gunsight and all the other bits!) and therefore will not be cheap!!!

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To clarify Rob's statement.Yes W^D will be releasing a 18pdr and limbers.I have the teste with me the gun is in whitemetal the limbers a resin/whitemetal mix.
It is a fairly complex kit with the level of detail to include the sights etc. As soon as I have finished building it I will post pics on the Forum.
It will not be cheap!!!!

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Thanks for the example Ironsides will give it a try. I had been working with the two part frame shown in illustrations & it just didin't attached without fatally weakening the trail.

If I may be bold a quick tweak to your examples to give a breech that the model missed . Square off the vertical surface between the recuperator & trail. Then that a 2mm diamater rod & a pencil sharpener. Put a "point" on the end, sand paper it round. Cut of this bit to 4 or 5mm long & pin & glue to the squared off vertical face. Then I would suggest some 2mm channel shapped woth a partial diagonal cut attached on the left as the extration guard - should be some 8 or 9mm long. Hope you don't mind?

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Hi Brennan, I did consider adding a breech but in the end decided against it, the main object was to add a seated crew hence the seats and of course the shield and trail spade, the problem really is how far do you go... I guess if you wanted an entirely accurate model you'd have to replace most of it, and since I was trying to put together a 6 gun battery it was likely to end up more work then I wanted.....

and then there is the rest as well...... limbers, chassions etc...

Is that actually the Hät or the Airfix release?

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Each to their own priorities. I have tried your suggestion with some success, though I hav added the diagonal braces as well to enhance the strength as that still concerned me.

The examples in my photos are actually both Hat & Airfix, though the Airfix is from some years ago - my bits draw.

As the rules (2 sets at different scales) the group I game with utilise the guns separately from the crew making permanetly fixing them to the base difficult I may leave the spade off as being too vulnerable.

The guns are either in 3's for a 6 gun battery or 1 per battery so 3 (or for about 18 months 2 or 4) per brigade. I will brobably end up with 6 for me and close to that for others in the group.

Again its a personnal thing, but I find making 4+ of anything but the most complex / tricky conversion just gets easier & faster. Then I use templates etc, working on section of several in parallel.

Regards, Brennan

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I've got a load of reference pics of the 13 pounder at the Imperial War Museum, which saw action at Nery in 1914 and, I believe, still in it's original paint - if you want them, private message me your e-mail address and i'll send them over

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Thanks for the offer. I have now done an update having taken Ironsides option to simplify the struts for the wheel brakes & crew seating, though I have added the diagonal struts to strengthen & done a couple of other tweaks. I hope to have the additional pictures taken this weekend. Will then post those and the comments. Will think about a full rework of the proccess listing?

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Have been reading this thread with great interest If it helps anyone I can supply replacement wheels in whitemetal.They are a lot finer than the Airfix ones and the detail is good. I have a lot spare (how I don't know)from the 18pdr/limber castings.
Hope this helps

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