Landships II

nastle · Corporal

Hello,
In jager's book on german artillery some obsolete guns in service with army are mentioned in the tables and some illustrations but very little else is given about them.Guns like
9cm C/73/91
10cm Kanone 04 of krupp of 1902-03
13cm Kanone 09
Schwere 12cm kanone 1880
15cm ringkanone of 1892
15cm sFH model 1893
Apparently they all lacked the modern recoil system so were regulated to fortresses.Does anybody have information of any action reports involving these guns or their pictures ?

CharlieC · Legend

The 9cm C73 was used extensively by the Ottoman (Turkish) Army. It appears to have been used by the Turks into the 1920s. Some of these were captured as war trophies in Palestine and a few have survived in Australia.

www.ammsbrisbane.com/documentation/c73_2.html
www.ammsbrisbane.com/documentation/c73_3.html

There is another restored C73 in Camden, NSW - I can probably find images with a bit of digging.

Another gun of similar vintage used by the Turks was the 12cm (C80) howitzer which isn't in your list (attached - Manilla, NSW - this example is a Turkish built gun).

Some of the other guns are on the Bulgarian Artillery website - www.bulgarianartillery.it

Regards,

Charlie

-- Edited by CharlieC on Tuesday 26th of October 2010 02:25:56 AM

mad zeppelin · Commander in Chief

They all were used in the war. By autumn 1914 - with ammunition supply for the field artillery and the heavy artillery being low - they were hauled out of the fortresses because they had a good ammunition supply of their own and used extensively in the field.
The guns were in use until the end of the war, mainly in quiet sectors of the front line, but the 12 and 15 cm cannons also in `hot' sectors.

CharlieC · Legend

It wasn't only obsolete German guns pressed into service....

The 15cm 1887 Krupp/FRC guns captured from the Belgians in 1914 were also used at the front. A battery of these was captured by AIF troops at Pozieres in July 1916.

www.ammsbrisbane.com/documentation/Krupp_FRC.html

Regards,

Charlie

Tanker · Field Marshal

Bonjour,

"obsolete" is never the good word, speaking of arms and munitions . . . . . !
"obsolete gun" used by well training units is always a good gun !

I don't think that men killed by some munitions of these "obsolete guns" thought that it was a lot of chance for them to be killed by an "obsolete gun" firing and "obsolete munition" . . .

Mauser munitions are always built in some countries and one century later this "obsolete" rifle always kill . . . . .

Michel

Ralph Lovett · General

If you would like images of these pieces, my identification drawing web pages will show most of them:

http://www.lovettartillery.com/German_Field_Artillery_ID_Drawings.html

http://www.lovettartillery.com/German_Foot_Artillery_ID_Drawings.html

and then I also have restored examples of some�of these like the 9cm C/1873 and the 15cm sFH 1893�in my collection:

http://www.lovettartillery.com/15cm_s_F_H_1893.html

http://www.lovettartillery.com/9cm._C_1873_Kanone.html

I hope you find this of interest

R/

Ralph Lovett
http://www.lovettartillery.com/

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