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Does anybody have an idea about the real-life rough dimensions (length, width, height) of this Foden Steam Wagon:



I'm trying to get an idea of the scale of the toy I have just bought! It looks a bit big for 1/72, so I'm wondering if it is 1/64, or S scale, or 28mm.

So, if I knew how long the real thing was, back in the day, I could compare it to the toy, and Bob's your uncle.

Also, if anybody knows anything about the real life lorry this toy is supposed to represent, it would be of interest. And it might be a useful starting point for any further research.

Edit: "S scale" could also be "S gauge" (for the anoraks amongst us)





-- Edited by PDA on Thursday 17th of February 2011 03:52:42 AM

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Not sure of the scale of your toy but found some info on Fodens at

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones/tony/foden/ifod2.html

Paul

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Not sure either, I guess your toy is a Lledo (Days Gone) so I think that is 1/64.

regards, Kieffer

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According to Vanderveen, the wheelbase for a rubber-tired 5-tonner is 14ft 4in; dimensions 22'0"x7'6"x10'0".

HtH

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Hi PDA Most of the these diecast vehicles are to a larger scale, exactly what scale is difficult to say as many are made to fit the box, I think these though are an odd scale "roughly" 1/64 and both Corgi and Lledo favoured this scale but expect some variation,  so may fit in with 28mm or true 30 mm figures.....

Thought this might interest...

http://www.thesteammuseum.org/britannia.html

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Friday 18th of February 2011 12:23:25 PM

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By an extraordinary coincidence, a neighbour of my friend in Knutsford, Cheshire, U.K. is a Mr. Paul Foden. It seems he is a direct descendant of the founder of the company, which was based in nearby Sandbach. The lorry manufacturers ERF were, apparently, another branch of the family.

My pal is on speaking terms, so I shall try to find out if Mr. F knows of the whereabouts of any surviving plans and suchlike.

He sold the company fairly recently, and I understand that his current business venture is the manufacture and sale of poop scoops.

If it's any help, Corgi say this one is 1:50.

http://www.corgi.co.uk/shop/347/1922-foden-steam-wagon--whitbread-and-co-ltd-london-cc20209/?from_categories=commercial

-- Edited by James H on Sunday 20th of February 2011 02:15:46 PM

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Thanks, everyone.

Using your information I was able to find this photo



which puts average sized people next to the lorry, to give a rough idea of size. That should roughly tally up with alfisherjr's dimensions.

I haven't got any 28mm figures (yet) to place next to the toy, and I haven't found the time to try some 1/72 figures next to it. But I have a feeling it will sit better with 28mm figures. Or maybe Zvezda's figures!

(As an aside, it would be easier if 28mm figure enthusiasts could agree on what scale they using; S gauge, 1/64 or 1/56.)

My various diggings, also dug up this:



which is a little bit amusing, as the scale is, well, non-existent, shall we say? (Also, whoever it was that was looking for metal, ready-made models, here you are!) And the ubiquitous Models of Yesteryear Rolls Royce HMAC Ajax




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Hi PDA I believe thats a Lledo model rather then corgi so should be around 1/64 scale and I recon your looking at something around later 1920s, a later model anyway and likely a six ton C type but its probarbly generic...

http://www.steam-up.co.uk/foden/foden_an9568.htm

I like the look of HMAC AJAX...

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Yes, Ironsides, my toy truck was made by Lledo, but I haven't seen anywhere where they state the scale; a lot of people speculating, which is fine, but nothing "official". It actually doesn't matter to me whether it is 1/72 or 28mm, as I plan on getting some 28mm WW1 chaps soon enough, and, of course, I have a ton of little 1/72 guys.

I bought two of these because I wanted something durable and interesting for Little PDA to play with when he gets a wee bit bigger, and I wanted one for myself to back date and tinker with (ie, also play with!). They were cheap, and there are a lot available (unlike HMAC Ajax).

There is also a Sentinel Steam Lorry in various liveries:



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Also from the site posted by Ironsides                                                          http://www.steam-up.co.uk/foden/foden_m8562.htm

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Hi PDA,

here's an advert for a 4 1/2" scale Foden, if you multiply the model dims by 2.666 that should give you the fullsize dims.  I suspect the width has been extended to improve stability?

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Now those are not cheapwink

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I guess there's some confusion, I think Lledo is taken over by Corgi.
The Models of Yesteryear, from Matchbox: their RR armoured car is in 1:48, their Foden is in 1:72, according to the Yesteryear Book,by McGimpsey and Orr, Major Productions LTd 1996. I don't know the Lledo is the same as the Matchbox/Dinky...and indeed, "Corgi says" theirs is in 1:50...

The picture, I guess it's a well known one but may be some help for detailling?


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This is confusing. Yes, Corgi took over Lledo. There are some Fodens (and Sentinels and a B-Type) in their Days Gone range: http://www.corgi.co.uk/shop/days-gone/ The scale is "Fit the Box."

Are there two ranges? Sorry if being dim.

-- Edited by James H on Monday 21st of February 2011 11:53:08 AM

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"Are there two ranges?"...

At least twowink the Corgi foden in WD markings is the same as the "Days Gone" LLedo, Corgi also produce a very nice Foden in the larger scale "Vintage Glory" range...

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I know the exact sizes of this "sailor boy custard" model, as the image & model belong to me and this along with 3000+ more diecast steam models are viewable on my website http://www.keith-parker.co.uk
   

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Mr_Tronics wrote:

I know the exact sizes of this "sailor boy custard" model, as the image & model belong to me and this along with 3000+ more diecast steam models are viewable on my website http://www.keith-parker.co.uk
   

-- Edited by Mr_Tronics on Tuesday 8th of March 2011 01:35:20 AM


 Thank you Mr Tronics. Sorry, I should of course have mentioned your fantastic site.

I have recently received the plastic 1/72 Keil Kraft kit of this lorry, and I've had a chance to roughly compare them. Apart from the height of the cab roof, they seem to be the same size (give or take a mm here and there). So it seems the Days Gone By lorry is meant to be 1/72 scale. So you can get your order in to Mr Tronics.

Thanks @everybody for your helpful input.

 

 



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The Lledo (or Corgi as they are now know) range were never made to the same scale, but it later turned out that some were 1/72 scale and while in corgi ownership these there were then branded as "trackside" due to them being the correct scale for railway layouts.

Just to make it clear I DONT sell these models they are for referance ONLY Sorry !! 



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