Landships II

MK1 Nut · Hero

MK1 Plans nearly finished

kieffer · Commander in Chief

that's brilliant Helen! And certainly a great help for any modeller. I laid down my own modelling aside for a while, a bit frustrated as I was by the lack of drawings. Even if there should be some incorrect detail (and I can't imagine these are many, or eye catching) these drawings are more than good enough to work with. I got my inspiration back now, thank you for that!

Regards, Kieffer

CharlieC · Legend

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Thank you Helen,

What scale are the drawings?

Regards,

Charlie

MK1 Nut · Hero

kieffer wrote:
that's brilliant Helen! And certainly a great help for any modeller. I laid down my own modelling aside for a while, a bit frustrated as I was by the lack of drawings. Even if there should be some incorrect detail (and I can't imagine these are many, or eye catching) these drawings are more than good enough to work with. I got my inspiration back now, thank you for that!
Regards, Kieffer

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My hope is always that these plans will encourage the building of my favourite Tank. The fact that my plans have inspired you to get building again, has made me very happy!

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Helen x�

MK1 Nut · Hero

CharlieC wrote:
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Thank you Helen,
What scale are the drawings?
Regards,
Charlie

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Hi Charlie

My plans can be printed out VERY large if need be... but part of me still would like to make the lager view available only to Bovington. They can then sell them to help with the running costs of the Library there.

The plans will have to be finished with female sponsons and tail wheel before bothering with that.

So for now I am thinking of just producing each of the ten panels in A4 size, and letting the individual scale them to their preferred scale. To help with this the box around each panel is a set scale... in full scale, 500cm x 500cm or 500cm x 1000cm.

So if you want the image 1/32 then the printed image should be 500cm divided by 32 = 15.625cm. The Tank inside the box will then be to the correct size.

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I am still very open to ideas on all this.

Helen x

CharlieC · Legend

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Thanks for the explanation Helen.

May I suggest using a scale bar like the cardmodelers use. Because printers and software can do weird stuff to page scaling a lot of the cardmodel designers add

a bar of known length (say 25mm) with an instruction such as "this bar will be 25mm long when printed at 1/25 (or whatever) scale". This saves a lot of grief with printing cardmodels although you really need scale bars in both horizontal and vertical directions - some printers have been known to adjust sizes in one direction only.

Regards,

Charlie

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Thanks Helen, you've done a great service to Landshipkind.

Superb job!!

MK1 Nut · Hero

CharlieC wrote:
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Thanks for the explanation Helen.
May I suggest using a scale bar like the cardmodelers use. Because printers and software can do weird stuff to page scaling a lot of the cardmodel designers add
a bar of known length (say 25mm) with an instruction such as "this bar will be 25mm long when printed at 1/25 (or whatever) scale". This saves a lot of grief with printing cardmodels although you really need scale bars in both horizontal and vertical directions - some printers have been known to adjust sizes in one direction only.
Regards,
Charlie

�My original idea was to use scale bars, but it all got kinda complicated, so I went for the set sized box instead.

Basically if you know what size the box/border should be in the scale you require, then it enables you to check all round for distortions in printing.

I'm used to playing with scale, but for some it may be a new thing. So what if I do an instruction page with scales and explanations.

I'll type out a demo instruction page and post it here tomorrow if I can.

Helen x

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MK1 Nut · Hero

LincolnTanker wrote:
Thanks Helen, you've done a great service to Landshipkind.
Superb job!!

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xX Thank you! Xx Your advice and kind words helped me a great deal.

Helen x

Ironsides · Legend

Hi MKI Nut, Brilliant work great detail, I have to agree with Charlie here a simple visual measuring stick would go a long way, a black a white rod scaled in feet to the drawing I think would work fine, with a small note on the real major measurements perhaps overall length, width and�height... first thing I looked For wink

Cheers smile

CharlieC · Legend

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Helen,

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Have you thought about allowing your plans to be uploaded onto Landships II.

If you want this to happen you should give some thought to copyright issues so some scumbag(*) doesn't steal them and make money out of them.

You can copyright the plans, permit free personal use but prohibit any commercial use without your explicit permission(#) - the copyright allows you to assert ownership so aforesaid scumbag can't hijack your work.

Regards,

Charlie

* - enter favourite term for human slime here.

# - permission only granted by seriously large payment to you.

-- Edited by CharlieC on Tuesday 17th of May 2011 11:16:48 AM

MK1 Nut · Hero

Ironsides wrote:
Hi MKI Nut, Brilliant work great detail, I have to agree with Charlie here a simple visual measuring stick would go a long way, a black a white rod scaled in feet to the drawing I think would work fine, with a small note on the real major measurements perhaps overall length, width and�height... first thing I looked For
Cheers

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Having printed them off I think you're right! They do need more keys to scale and an influx of a bit of artyness (I think that's a word).

Anyhow, what are these 'feet' you talk of? confuse Don't you mean Meters and centimeters! �� Yeah OK I'm old enough to have used both! smile

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

CharlieC wrote:
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Helen,
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Have you thought about allowing your plans to be uploaded onto Landships II.
If you want this to happen you should give some thought to copyright issues so some scumbag(*) doesn't steal them and make money out of them.
You can copyright the plans but permit free personal use but prohibit any commercial use without your explicit permission(#) - the copyright allows you to assert ownership so aforesaid scumbag can't hijack your work.
Regards,
Charlie
* - enter favourite term for human slime here.
# - permission only granted by seriously large payment to you.

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�Hi Charlie

I don't know who you mean?!?! confuse

Mind there is some shifty characters out there who like to Plagiarize Files.

The fact of the matter is, that as soon as you put something into a public space, it IS going to get copied. That's fine of course, as long as they do not try to palm off what they have copied as their own.

Everything that is to do with you, and can be 'proved', IS automatically copyrighted... the problem is as ever policing that right.

As for my plans... well I can prove they're mine, and what anyone copying them has to be VERY aware of, is they are as much a peice of art as a plan, and as such have my finger print all over them. I have breathed life into my plans over 5 years now, so it would be a brave or foolish person to try and pass them off as their own.

My intention has always been to produce a set of plans people can use to get a more accurate MK1 Tank. The ONLY people I would allow to make money from my plans is Bovington Tank Musuem.

On the whole I have found modellors to be trustworthy.... especially if you offer them something for three! smile The problem of copyrright normally comes from Website owners who want to boost their own site without� the effort.

Be rest assured I will not pull the plans on this site just because of people like that.

I want to see lots of MK1 Tank models that are more accurate than before... that's my payment.

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Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hows this...........

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Wednesday 18th of May 2011 12:17:03 PM

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

MK1 Nut wrote:
Hows this...........

�Yep, I like the look of that.

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sally · Private

Sirs/Madams I'm new! I have a modelling interest in the Great War and am looking for information. I'm something of an information magnet really as much of the stuff I collect remains unused for some time. But I do get there eventually. I'll post this and see how it works Regards Sally

CharlieC · Legend

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Helen, may I suggest you look at Creative Commons licencing - this would allow people to use your designs but you would retain ownership.

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I'd hate to see your work being hijacked by some slimeball especially considering the amount of your time and effort that has gone into the Mark I drawings.

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Regards,

Charlie

MK1 Nut · Hero

CharlieC wrote:
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Helen, may I suggest you look at Creative Commons licencing - this would allow people to use your designs but you would retain ownership.
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I'd hate to see your work being hijacked by some slimeball especially considering the amount of your time and effort that has gone into the Mark I drawings.
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Regards,
Charlie

�Hi Charlie

Thanks for the advice.

Anyone who thinks that the internet bypasses peoples copyright though would be for a surprise in the civil courts.

I will though just be relying on the good nature of the modellers out there on this one. These plans after all are not showing the full detail of my plans, this I will reserve for Bovington if they want them when finished.

This is an interesting read...�http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html�

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Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

I've written up a 'How to use' set of instructions, can someone run their eyes over them please.

Helen x

Peter T · General

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Hi Helen

I have to admit, that I have only marginal interest for the Mk I tank. But what you are presenting here is top-notch. Thank you very much for such a "tour de force".

, Peter

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Ironsides · Legend

Hi MkI looks fine to me, scales and the explantion...

Cheers wink

BLOWHARD · Lieutenant

Really nice stuff! Now all we need is a Mk.II, Mk.III, Mk.Iv... :D

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi All

Having a major wobble with my plans here! Measured them out and including track I'm 4" short.

Does anyone know how accurate the measurement of 26'5" is, and do they include the track?

I can't find the original sheet of measurements I had for the panels and I'm mortified at the idea I may have built an error that fundamental into my plans.

I am attaching a side view, so you can run your eyes and measuring sticks over it.

Anyone have panel measurements of the MK2 at Bovington?

Helen x

Mark Hansen · Legend

I don't know... in the picture in the other thread you looked the right height to me smile

All jokes aside, I don't know how accurate the 26' 5" measurement is but I did think of one possibility where your plans may have lost the 4". Did you�perhaps lose about 2" on each of the full length rivetted strips at the rear of the tank?

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Mark

Nope it seems the rear of the tank is pretty good, the problem seems to be at the front end. �I am going to check the measurements against those I have for a MK4, best I can do right now.

So annoyed at myself, the plans were ready... now I'm in limbo until I sort this out. After all this time and going on about getting it right... the last thing I need is for the plans to be too short.

Will let everyone know how I get on.

Helen x

Mark Hansen wrote:

I don't know... in the picture in the other thread you looked the right height to me
All jokes aside, I don't know how accurate the 26' 5" measurement is but I did think of one possibility where your plans may have lost the 4". Did you�perhaps lose about 2" on each of the full length rivetted strips at the rear of the tank?

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LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Hi Helen, I have edited this comment as it was wrong!! The last bit was right though.

Email sent.

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You've done a wonderful job

Chris.

-- Edited by LincolnTanker on Monday 30th of May 2011 01:00:00 AM

MK1 Nut · Hero

LincolnTanker wrote:
Hi Helen, I have edited this comment as it was wrong!! The last bit was right though.
Email sent.
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You've done a wonderful job
Chris.

-- Edited by LincolnTanker on Monday 30th of May 2011 01:00:00 AM

�Hi Chris

Thanks for the email, going over the data again now, and not feeling so bad.

It is beginning to appear like the measurements of 26'5" are a rough length, and have just been repeated over and over again. I get the impression no one's run a measure over these machines in years. Although it would be about right if the track tensioner was fully extended.� confuse

I have found my original measurements I took from Bovington's MK2, I will be going over the drawings a little later.

Helen x

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MK1 Nut · Hero

BLOWHARD wrote:
Really nice stuff! Now all we need is a Mk.II, Mk.III, Mk.Iv... :D

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�Actually I know most of the differences between the MK1 and 2&3... sooo not completely out of the question! smile

Helen x

Hembrug · Private

Helen,

A couple of years back, I discovered the first world war, and got intrested in it. And I passed by tis site. signd-up, but have never posted here, only read some things.�

But last few days, I was dicovering and thinging about moddeling a tank (mark I-to V, I didn't decide which) And got searching for information. Just today I passed bij this topic(and the one before this) and got amazed bij the detailed drawings. It's a nice job. And I simply made this evening a 3d-model, in solidworks( I'm styding mechanical egineering, that why I have such nice programs) It's a very simple model, just made in scale 1:1 in a couple of hours. Only basic shapes. But I thougt to make some honor to your work and let see what a model will look like. That's why I posted this pichture.

Maybe I will some day do a 3d model with sperated metal plates, but that needs a little more preperation and information.�

But thank you for this nice JOB! keep on goning.

with Regard,

Gerard-Jan�

-- Edited by Hembrug on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 10:38:44 PM

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Gerard

Thank you for your kinds words, I am glad that people are making use of my plans.

I still find it a little odd looking at my plans in 3D having spent so much time on a flat set of plans... but it does look good to see a correct MK1.

Good luck with your work and future builds.

Helen x