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MK1 Nut · Hero

RE: Landships MK1 Tank Plans

Paul Bonnett · Hero

I think you do stunning work on this. Thank You x

monsty01 · Sergeant

Cracking Plans Helen, top marks ..

No wonder you told me " it's a rivet thing. :) " ... hahaaa

regards

Pete

MK1 Nut · Hero

Thanks guys.

Plans now updated with help from PDA, just hope I find no more extra lines.

Pete, I am now reliving all those rivets, but now in 3D... now I know I'm mad. Still a lot, lot, less then Mother had. :)

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

Just a quick update before bed...

The 3D model is making me really look hard once more at any photos of MK1s I can find, this has led me to notice a few details unique to them.

First off, the cut out for the track adjuster. Both ends I have discovered are rounded.

Secondly there is the track guides that bolt on at the front and back off the tank. As far as I can tell it is designed to be a replaceable leading edge to the internal lip that stops the track drooping when trench crossing. This is my best guess for their existance. Anyhow, on the early batches it seems they are in two parts, which is why some Mk1s seemed to have them with more bolts than others. Both the MK1 and MK2 at Bovi have the later one peice ones with less bolts. This will make more sense if you look at the 3D drawing and then look at photos.

Right better go get some sleep.

Hel x

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Gwyn Evans · Legend

Helen

Just wanted to say that the work you've done here is magnificent.

Gwyn

MK1 Nut · Hero

Thanks Gwyn, it drives me to mentalness and enjoyment in equal measure. :)

Hel x

Paul Bonnett · Hero

" it drives me to mentalness and enjoyment in equal measure." Wow
Paul

MK1 Nut · Hero

Last is the Track Guides. These appear to be in two parts early on, but even on the MK1 tanks soon becom a one peice casting. This is the reason why when I was at an early stage of my drawings, I couldn't work out the disappearing bolts on the guides.

There is also on the MK1s an extra little guide plate bolted onto the outside flange on the hull. It is just a flat plate bolted on with 3 bolts. Obviously wasn't worth the extra affort as it vanished from the MK2s onwards.�

None of this is I expect is new, but I find it interesting.�

Helen x

Oops just added the track guide plate 3D pics. I did wonder looking at them again, if they served to cut mud from the track link and give the guide behind a better chance working???�

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-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Monday 11th of February 2013 10:37:38 PM

MK1 Nut · Hero

Aaaaand another! addition.... the rear track guide, shorter than the front, has only two attachment bolts as the top is shaped to go around axles etc.

Promise not to add any more tonight. :)

Helen x

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-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Monday 11th of February 2013 10:50:18 PM

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Monday 11th of February 2013 10:52:28 PM

MK1 Nut · Hero

Ok just a little update in the way of details I have noticed more since starting a 3D CAD Model.

First of all is the cut out in the rear plate for the radiator. This I have noticed is more square on the MK1s than on the types that followed. The corners still have a curve to them, but not the simple cut out as on the door, which is two circles joined by two lines. From the MK2s onwards it seems they used the same simplified cut out as the door.

I must now make a confession... on looking at the plans for the first time in a while, I have noticed the two bolts at the bottom of the radiator cut out are off to one side and should be inline with the ones at the top. The 3D plans have been updated and I will do the same for the originals soon.�

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

Next, is the Track Adjusters. Again the cut out on the MK1 is different to the later MKs. In this instance the cut out on the MK1 is rounded, and goes more square on the later tanks. From what I have read, it was a way of getting more adjustment on the tracks without any major redisign.

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Gwyn Evans · Legend

Well of those additions, I knew about only the difference in track adjuster cut-out. This is proving to be an education.

Gwyn

wayne · Colonel

Helen,

Is there data on the arcs of fire of the 6Pdrs?� I am making a papermodel of the MkI and am now into the left sponson.� Given the restrictions of the sight on the left side and the locations of the closure plates on either side of the mantlet, it appears that the left gun has a 10 degree arc toward the�vehicle centerline, and maybe 105 degrees away from the centerline.� I am attaching a screen shot�showing my work in progress.�

Regards,

Wayne

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Wayne,

It's been some time now since I did the sponson plans and I can't remember how accurate I managed to get the arc of movement of the guns.

From records the angles are reported as..

Starboard side.. dead ahead to 110degrees.

Port side... 5 degrees off dead ahead to 115 degrees.

Also here's two grabbed images from my sponson plans.

Hope it helps.

Helen x

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wayne · Colonel

Helen,

The two drawings of the cut-outs and side closures really helps.� Thanks.�

Regards,

Wayne

b1gy1n · Corporal

Helen,

Just have to say what a wonderfull set of plans,now all i have to do is get a new Airfix kit,to start on,being in Oman model shops are thin on the ground.Might have to wait till my UK visit in July.
Once again thank you.

Marc.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Welcome to the site Marc,

Glad you like the plans, now get building! If you get stuck, just send me a ticket to Oman and I will see if I can help. :)

Helen x

b1gy1n · Corporal

Will do oneway or return

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MK1 Nut · Hero

Not posted on this thread for a bit, so here's a little addition to the tank facts side of things...

Now due to looking at a large laser cut wooden tank that I am now the proud owner of, I got to counting rivets... yeah I know, shoot me now!�

In several books I had read that the MK4, although basically the same as the MKs 1 to 3, it was made using new templates.�

This is were the rivets come in, you can tell a lot about world war one tanks from the rivet patterns, even if you're looking at the left or right hand side. On looking at MK4s it is quite obvious that a major tidy up of the rivets occurred.

On the MK1 which was pressed into service at an amazing speed, it is clear that the rivet numbers were reduced and spacing stretched in places they could get away with it. This, ignoring the cab and roof hatch changes on the MK2 and MK3s, stayed the same until the production of the MK4.

On the MK4 it is very clear a comprehensive tidy up has happened. An obvious area is the front horn, on the MK1 the rivets start close together round the front outer edge and spread out as they come back along the tank. If you now look at the MK4 it stay pretty much even all the way around the edge, from bow to stern. This more even spacing of rivets has also added an extra row on the rivets that join the panels together. Form the bow back it used to go three rows up, then five, on the mk4 it is four then six.

I am sure that there are other smaller tweaks, but if you are thinking of converting a MK4 kit into an earlier tank, then this is some of the details you might want to look into.

Hope I haven't bored you with rivet talk. :)

Helen x

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Gwyn Evans · Legend

Only the elite count rivets, whatever anyone might say (and you're alot more observant than me to boot).

Gwyn

Foodstealer · Private

Hi Helen,

I am new to this forum...and I have signed up purely for these brilliant plans that you have produced. These I have been looking for some considerable time! Now I can build my tank..1/16 scale ...so thank you thank you!

Jeremy.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Jeremy,

Glad you like the plans, just remember to look for updates and upload some photos in the modelling section. Is the model going to be radio controlled or static?

Helen x

Foodstealer · Private

Hi Helen,

I intend it to be R/c ... However I haven't as yet decided on if it will be made of ply or of metal! I shall keep an eye out for any updates.

How is the steering gear coming on, or is that being cheeky??

Once again though ..a very big thank you to you for all the hard work that you have put into this project.

Jeremy. Xx

MK1 Nut · Hero

Oops! sorry Jeremy I didn't reply earlier.�

No not cheeky at all :) The steering gear is coming along slowly at the moment.... working on the cutting list for the sponsons on the 1/6 scale MK1 tank, which is now nearly done. The steering gear I will start on again at the same time as I do some of the 3D CAD body panels, so that it all should be finished in the next few months.

If you are thinking of moulding parts then take a look at Bigtank's models... amazing work! on here and his own site.�

Also for a master class in metal, MRG's 1/16 MKIV

There's lots of info and modelling on here... wear out that search button and enjoy!

My payment for all the work on my plans is to see lots of accurate MK1 Tanks appearing on the internet... so get building! :)

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi All,

A little update...

Finally found enough photo evidence to say the rear roof bolts should be the same as those that go round the edge of the roof. So out goes your normal hexagonal bolts and in comes odd flat square ones.

With luck I will soon be able to update the plans to include everything I have learned/discovered since putting them on the site.

Helen x

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-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Friday 26th of July 2013 06:14:40 PM

des-tank · Sergeant

Thanks Helen x, we wait for your messages and drawings with impatience.

But if could help with drawings on Mk-V too it would be not bad.

Suvoroff · Corporal

Helen;

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Beautiful plans, I've done drafting and I appreciate how much work these must be.

Is there a plan in preparation for the "tail"?

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Yours,

James

d_fernetti · Hero

Helen!
I must add a great "thank you" for your work here. I'm very enthusiastic about this that I unearthed my old Airfix kit (to my dismay) and prepared to make several modifications to improve it.
One of the doubts that arised when I checked it was the spacing of the front window flaps once the widening of the driver's cab was performed. Now the tanl looks as if the "eyes" were too near to each other.
Damn, wish there was a ready made PE set for all the possible applications of this conversion!
Anywa, thanks again for your investigation and artwork! I might possibly be buying another kit after this (a female, to have a nice couple and perhaps get tank pups in the future). Hopefully I won't make more mistakes than I did with this old kit. I guess I might have started it about 5 years ago, when I had no reference material.
D.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Thanks All for the kind words x

In order...

Des-Tank as far as a MKV drawing goes.... no! no!! NO!!! NEVER again! :p �The MK1 drawings I feel are needed, but I believe the drawings for the MKV are actually pretty good. Once my plans are finished and this 1/6 scale monster of a tank has left my house, then that will be me done. Of course I doubt if I will be able to resist updates if I find out anything new. :)

James... One of the good things about building this 1/8 scale tank, is it made me get into 3D modelling. Building the tank bit by bit has made think about how it all goes together and in doing so led me to a number of discoveries I can now use to improve the plans I did for this site. Modelling the rear of the tank in 3D will give me a better idea of how to show it in 2D.�

The Tail plans I think will be another month.

d-fernetti... Get building!! :) Although I am still learning as far as this tank is concerned, using my plans should give you a far better 1/72 MK1 than is out there at the moment. I like seeing models of MK1s built from my plans, with luck it will inspire a few more kit manufactures to get it right.

Maybe later in the year I will do a walk around of the 3D model. Might be a help for modellers when it comes to converting the 2D plans into a model.

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Just ordered some more metal for the 1/6 scale tank today, should have some new photos on here next week. :)

Kind regards

Helen x

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TinCanTadpole · Legend

d_fernetti wrote:
I might possibly be buying another kit after this (a female, to have a nice couple and perhaps get tank pups in the future).�
D.

�Tank pups? Would those be Holt HA36 one-man tanks? I wonder what a pregnant tank looks like!

Holt HA36, British Pathe

d_fernetti · Hero

I don't know how tank pups were made, but for sure they must do it LOUD!

d_fernetti · Hero

MK1 Nut wrote:
d-fernetti... Get building!! :) Although I am still learning as far as this tank is concerned, using my plans should give you a far better 1/72 MK1 than is out there at the moment. I like seeing models of MK1s built from my plans, with luck it will inspire a few more kit manufactures to get it right.

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Hopefully! The Airifx kits have the advantage of being cheap and plentiful (at least here in Argentina). Since they are doing now new kits, one can't help but hope for more WW1 stuff due for next year's centennial. In any case, the kit in its two varieties is good enough and I'd say that the time spent on accurizing it is not wasted at all.

I'll send some pics whenever I get some spare time to make a photo session!

D.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi All,

Sorry I've not added to this in a while... the good news though is the 3D CAD Drawing of the Tail Assembly is nearly done.

When finished I will do a kind of 'walk around', with top, side and angled views.

I have attached some recent screen grabs to give you a preview, rivets and bolts to go yet.

Helen x

d_fernetti · Hero

Lovely work, Helen. As usual one image says more than 1000 words. So we expect more images soon!

TeeELL · General

Hi Helen, a couple of things: should the steering arms, perhaps, be fixed closer to the hub? The holes in the thickened outer section of the axle - I can't determine if they should be filled, I shall bow to your collections of photos.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi,

The steering arms attach quite a way out, there is a cast hub too which the arms are bolted. It surprised me how far out from the wheel the arms are attached, but close ups of the museum example and old photos gave the same answer.

As for the filled in holes on the museum tail assembly, I can only presume it is a repair from some point in it's long history. Again, contemporary photos have all the holes unfilled.

It's the hunting for contemporary photos I have found the most important part of my research, almost all surviving tanks have been altered in some way.

Helen x

TeeELL · General

Blast! That means I shall have to re-work the tail assemblies on both my models. I foolishly assumed the holes to have been filled in intentionally during manufacture and my reference photos are not as extensive as your must be.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Having problems uploading a few updates on the plans, so I will put them here for now.

Rear Panel is just a hole where a rivet is, it's where the hydraulic pipes exit the rear to the tail assembly ram.

Front Panel now has the Front Pistol Port, also I have improved the drivers flaps.

The detail Panel now has the updates of the front and rear panels.

Helen x

Hogfather · Private

Helen,
I am just new here but you have answered all my prayers with all you hard work.
Thank you
Steve.