barrel length about 190cm (hard to measure cause of the shield)
wheel about 130cm, shield 167cm
Skoda 75-
barrel length 114cm, wheel 75cm, shield 140cm
Many thanks for taking your time to pass the measurements on.
About the 100 mm m14, I have a source giving a barrel length of 1930 mm, which would correspond with your measurements. Unfortunately, I don't know whether the breech is included here or not, so I cannot compare with the model.
The other data is based on your research:
Wheel diameter 1300 mm, model wheel diameter 16,5 mm, that would make 1/78.
Shield height 1670 mm, model shield height 17,5 mm (measuring the overall height of the metal shield, not the hight of it over the ground floor), so 1/95.
For the 75 mm m15, I have the barrel lenght at 1155 mm, so your measurement is quite close, but again I don't know whether the breech should be included or not.
I have the wheel's diameter at 800 mm as opposed to your 750, the kit's are 11 mm ca, so roughly 1/72 or 1/68.
I have the shield height as 1300 mm, as opposed to your 1400 mm, the kit's is 16 mm ca., so 1/81 or 1/87.
Any confirmation, or further data, would be highly appreciated.
Found lots of m 1915 mountan gun details here but no measurement sadly: http://www.militaryhorse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8284
I seam to have HaT test shots and measuring was as follows-
Skoda 100-
barrel was 2.60cm while it should be 2.63cm (in 1/72)
wheel was 1.70cm while it should be 1.80
shield 2.30 while it should be 2.32 (width not height!)
Skoda 75
barrel 1.9cm while it should be 1.94
wheel 0.97 while it should be 1.04
and shield 1.9 while it should be 1.94 (width)
Depends on what and how you measure...
In fact I see that test shots are 1.5% smaller or OK in the case of Skoda 75 (wheel was changed as HaT made improvement to the test sprue)
I, of course, know nothing about the new production sprues. Just that test sprues were more or less OK...
Please note that i was consulted about the measurements! Test sprues were just fraction away from the original - and I consider it normal in proces of sculpting and casting.
Wheel measurements are not exact for there is iron bolt on the wheel and there is no way to measure it over the axle without distortet result.
If test sprues varied for 0.5mm - I would consider it very correct in 1/72...
Greetings!
-- Edited by ivstefano on Monday 13th of June 2011 03:41:02 PM
-- Edited by ivstefano on Monday 13th of June 2011 03:41:58 PM
-- Edited by ivstefano on Monday 13th of June 2011 03:51:34 PM
ivstefano wrote:In fact I see that test shots are 1.5% smaller or OK in the case of Skoda 75 (wheel was changed as HaT made improvement to the test sprue)
I, of course, know nothing about the new production sprues. Just that test sprues were more or less OK...
Please note that i was consulted about the measurements! Test sprues were just fraction away from the original - and I consider it normal in proces of sculpting and casting.
If test sprues varied for 0.5mm - I would consider it very correct in 1/72...
Dear Ivan,
this is most interesting. I wasn't aware of your involvement in the process and of the details HäT improved after seeing the test shots. My production kits look exactly like this test shot, size-wise.
I can only agree to your comment on accuracy: If a 1/72 kit's dimensions are true to scale within a tolerance of one mm, most modellers will be happy with it, and certainly I will.
From the measurements you provided above, I can assure that the final product doesn't differ significantly from the test shots.
So for the 100 mm gun kit, barrel length (incl. breech) is correct, as is shield width, while wheel diameter is too small by one mm.
For the 75 mm mountain gun, my kit's barrel is about 17 mm long (not 19), which is passable for 1/72 given the original's lenght of 1155 mm. Wheel diameter is ok. Shield width is about 18,5 mm so a little undersize (and, btw, not entirely square).
All told, when compared with your measurements of the real thing, the models are reasonable scaled with a tendency towards the small side. Many thanks for providing info to clear that up. Regards, Pat
Barrel of 75 was measured with the air break below the barrel itself - I think I gave you the wrong measurement there - sorry - I tiped the measurement for shield width twice (1.9 and 1.94mm)!
It should be, as I noted in the first post, 114cm long (in reality) but it makes 1.58mm and there is 1,7 in the HaT test sprue model.
I see you have 1155mm in your measuring - makes my measuring 1.5cm shorter...
OK!
After all it is more or less correct!
All the best!
Y
PS - There should be difference in the wheel of 75 in the final product - bit larger than the one on he test sprue. Unfortunately I can't confirm that.
Now I can edit this post - with comparison of test and production sprue - yes - wheel is bit larger in production model! Scan of production sprue just appeared at Toy Soldier HQ.
-- Edited by ivstefano on Tuesday 14th of June 2011 05:58:07 PM
-- Edited by ivstefano on Tuesday 14th of June 2011 10:46:02 PM