Landships II

Tankcommander · Colonel

French vehicles behindfrontline

Ivan · Field Marshal

I think first picture is "La Buire".

Tankcommander · Colonel

Hello Ivan,

I'm not sure, what about this "round nose" at the front of the car. La Buire has another motor cap (See Picture)

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Runflat · Lieutenant-Colonel

Any chance of a close-up of the script on the radiator of the first photograph? I suspect it is Unic. Compare and contrast with this later example: http://camionclubdefrance.a.free.fr/Unic_M1.php

Runflat · Lieutenant-Colonel

The second picture appears in 'Les Camions de la Victoire 1914-1918' by Boniface & Jeudy @ page 55. It's described as a Peugeot.

Tankcommander · Colonel

Hi Runflat,

Have tried to take a closeup but you can't see any letters (just grey), I'm wondering a bit: the vehicle "stops" with the rounded shield and just has the radiator in front. Your picture and the one of Ivan has a long nose (with radiator screen), of course it could be that there are other "models" with the front of the vehicle more forward.

DJ

Runflat · Lieutenant-Colonel

Here are some more pictures of Unics, albeit cars/taxis. You'll note the similarity in the shape of the radiator (the shampering of all four corners are typical of Unic) to that of the forward-control lorry:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fine-cars/214157382/in/set-72157607689424897

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Ironsides · Legend

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Hi Runflat be aware theres a virus on your secound link...

Cheers

Runflat · Lieutenant-Colonel

Noted - thanks for the alert.� I've taken it out to be safe.

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Tankcommander · Colonel

Runflat, Ivan,

Left picture is from the "Field kitchen" Lorry above, Second is from a "La Buire" vehicle, last letter in the first picture looks like a "C" (but I'm not sure),

Anyway, thanks all of You

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DJ

Ironsides · Legend

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I think�the logo on the cuisine truck�ses Unic, in any case what a great pic so much character�would make a wonderfull� model too.. the lay out with the high forward cab seems to be fairly common in early trucks and seems to mirror steam truck designs...

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Ivan · Field Marshal

It is no "Unic".

Loo at "La Buire" camion�from Moscow Post service of 1912.

Tankcommander · Colonel

Hello All,

Just to stop and be sure:

Anywone has an contact adress of UNIC, LA BUIRE (I don't think) or another big museum in France, I will write in my best French and ask the question. Not shure of an answer but if Yes, I'll post it here.

DJ

Runflat · Lieutenant-Colonel

Ivan,

I don't follow your argument.

The radiator in the photograph you've posted clearly matches that in the Tankcommander's second post. So, even though the one is a normal-control vehicle and the other a forward-control, I have no difficulty accepting they are both La Buire products. But there is no similarity to the forward-control vehicle in Tankcommander's first post - the chassis and radiators are very different.

Whilst I cannot find any pictures of my own of forward-control Unics, that is not to say they didn't make them. (Does anyone know for sure?) Absent the answer to that question, I stand by what I said, namely that the general radiator design has all the hallmarks of Unic - in particular all four corners have a shampered outline to the grill (a common feature with Unic); and there is a short name on the grill script. So the circumstantial evidence is reasonably high. I'm happy to be shown that the vehicle is not a Unic, but the evidence so far does not in my opinion swing the balance of probabilities in favour of La Buire.

Runflat · Lieutenant-Colonel

DJ

The Foundation Berliet has an extensive archive of material on French trucks - principally those built near Lyon, where La Buire was made. So they may well be able to rule that make in or out. (Unic was made near Paris.)