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Graham


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Hi to all,  This is my first attempt at building a tank (Always done boats houses and wood turning before) My son and I have a great interest in military vehicles of any sort , but as I am an ex Tanky they to me are by far much more interesting.

 

I have build this Mark 1 out of ply and timber using the plans drawn by Helen. After many rebuilds of different components I am at the stage of thinking of a final coat of colour but there seams to be different ideas about which or what colour. So its back to a bit more research.



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That looks pretty good - is it 1/16 scale?

Are you doing a Gaza tank rather than a Flers tank - having removed the anti-grenade roof and painted it khaki?

Personally I would suggest if you want it in khaki, the colour you have now is very good. The shade has been quoted on this forum in old threads to be both dark khaki and light khaki; confusing perhaps, but certainly the colours that the tank museum at Bovington have painted their exhibits seem to vary dramatically in appearance under different lighting conditions.

Dimmer light makes the khaki look dark and relatively muddy brown, whereas strong sunlight results in a light sandy, almost desert sand colour.

For this reason, I think your lighter sandy khaki is fine - it seems to darken a lot in the shade anyway.


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Well done Graham. It looks really good.



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And a good soaking in desert sunshine & a touch of sandblasting & layering with dust, would change the paint colour quite a bit!

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Graham


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Hi All,
I Have attempted to do a 1 1/16 scale build, but was restricted by the length of the tracks I purchased, and then spent time to alter the tracks to look right. I am happy with the finish as a first attempt. As for the colour there is quite a bit of material about the colour that they were painted. I have come across; Dark Khaki, light khaki, madium grey, battleship grey, Humbrol No 29, Tamiya Colour drab olive and the Gaza sand colour. Its time to make my mind up.

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Hi Graham, if your tank is remaining sans tailwheels, I think you can rule out grey, unless you really want it that colour; after tailwheels were removed, I imagine only training tanks (if that) would still be grey - it was khaki from the start of 1917.

Differences between dark khaki and light khaki are possibly just local variations in how the official painting recipe was followed, and of course this colour seems hugely affected by lighting conditions. I'm not certain of the colour of Tamiya's olive drab, but I'd be wary that it might have a little bit of green to it that you wouldn't want.

Whatever you've used already is far from objectionable.

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Graham


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Thanks TCT on your comments, the trouble with militery colour from early 1900's to now is a lot as we have better views and knowledge about camoflage, how it should be used and the application method.

The tail wheels don't do the tank any favours in its asthetic looks, so I can see me omitting them along with the grenade roof.

My next project is a Whippet so it's back to the drawing board and more research

Graham.

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Sorry TCT, the Bovington Whippet is green, which I think is correct.

The colour varies depending upon the light, compare the full tank (natural light) and the detail (flash light) 



-- Edited by LincolnTanker on Tuesday 10th of April 2012 05:07:31 PM

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I don't mind the tail wheels myself, but I agree with omitting the anti-grenade roof.

As for your planned Whippet, I've been interested myself in the colour of them, because the landships article reckons they were probably green - although the Brussels Army Museum is apparently a bit dark inside, so it would be difficult to tell, given the discoluration and surface corrosion to deal with; the latter will show through thin paint and corrupt the look of the colour where paint has not already gone.

Not having seen their Whippet in the flesh, I've looked closely at the various photos I've seen, to try to estimate what colour might be correct; I started to suspect grey rather than green, but the only photographic evidence to support this is a small area of clean-looking paint down near the road rollers and U-bolts on the right track frame. Even if I'm right and this is a surviving patch of paint in good condition, it could only prove that at least one Whippet was grey.

Nonetheless, I'm cheered by the fact that Bovington decided a few years ago to repaint Caesar II (previously olive green) in a sort of Battleship Grey

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(insert expletive)! That's a pain - I prefer the idea of grey. Oh well, thanks for correcting me Chris.

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Don't give up yet, there are a number of photos of a Whippet at Fosters that looks light grey, it is usualy captioned as a new Whippet. On the original photo there appears to be bullet strikes, so maybe it was a rebuild? I have a scan of it somewhere I'll look it out.

Take a look at this

 http://landships.activeboard.com/t44413262/whippet-at-faversham-station/

And if you have a strong stomach have a look at this!! 

http://preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx?UniqueID=684

 

Tanker3 is the chap to answer the grey Whippet question.



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LincolnTanker wrote:

Don't give up yet, there are a number of photos of a Whippet at Fosters that looks light grey, it is usualy captioned as a new Whippet. On the original photo there appears to be bullet strikes, so maybe it was a rebuild? I have a scan of it somewhere I'll look it out.

And if you have a strong stomach have a look at this!! 

 Tanker3 is the chap to answer the grey Whippet question.

 

Thanks for that smile

I was expecting some blood-and-guts wartime photo when I read 'if you have a strong stomach'; I'm not sure what you'd call it - brick red? Anti-fouling red (if you're a mariner)?

I've recently seen a pic of a preserved Whippet painted gloss black all over - it may have been the one in South Africa, which Landships says is silver, either before or after a repaint.

As for the original pic, it looks to me like shell damage rather than mere bullets - unless a T-Gewehr round can smash through a brittle section of armour? I remember from a 1977 Ian V Hogg book on military smallarms that the T-Gewehr had a conical bore, tapering from 13mm down to 7.92mm to maintain gas pressure as the bullet travels along the bore. The muzzle velocity was stated in the book to be around 5000ft per second - double, or nearly double that of contemporary rifle rounds.

That tank certainly isn't green though - good news indeed!



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TCT, the South African Whippet is/was silver, maybe to reduce the heat inside to preserve it? I was I believe the last running Whippet and is pretty well complete.

The strong stomach mention was due to the colour of the linked tank looked like something a dog had produced.



-- Edited by LincolnTanker on Wednesday 11th of April 2012 10:13:19 PM

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You'd need a silver spacesuit and matching 60s boots to drive it, of course...

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Thank you for the comments regarding my male mark 1 and its colour. Also interesting your comments regarding the Whippet. I belive that most military vehicles and the colours they ended up as was down to the poor soldier who was given the task and his enthusiasm . Having myself served with a RE tank regiment I know the feeling well.

So, do any of you gents know how I can get a plan of the WHIPPET.

Graham

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This is only a side view and is a cross-section, but it's a start:

Whippet

 

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Nice work. The following link may help you if you convert the plans to your own scale.

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http://15mmvsf.bagofmice.com/vsf/builder_pt.htm



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