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Here are some dimensions. Rod



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Great drawing as well. Shows a new detail to me that's the shape of the cross members supporting the body of the lorry over the chassis beams. The proportions of the tilt van body look a bit on the shorter side compared to the Ambulance chassis, but maybe it's that the wheelbase is shorter, as the overall lenght of the chassis is pretty close.
How strange that the same factory made so many different designs! Sure this project has taught me a great deal about old trucks.

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Yes soft or thin skin vehicles, particularly lorries (from the HT word "lurry") are not as popular or as flashy as their armoured cousins but as an absolutely essential component of Supply and Logistics, there remains much yet to be recorded before memories fade, documents disappear and the information is lost. Regards Rod



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Yes, still much to rediscover and record.  Here's a case in point: CommerCar - or should I say Commercial Cars Ltd. - were prolific advertisers in the main trade journals, taking out a different advert each week.  By pure chance I have an edition of Motor Traction from March 13, 1918 - rediscovered yesterday - with an advert of theirs containing this drawing!

The inscription, providing some new information for this thread, makes for interesting reading in that it indicates that the R.S.P.C.A. ambulances were also bodied by Mulliner: Three ton "Commer" chassis, fitted with Mulliner-Osborne ambulance body for sick and wounded horses.  A large fleet of these two-horse ambulances has been supplied to the R.S.P.C.A. fund by Osborne & Co., Ltd., 4 Great Marlborough Street, London.  Bodies built by H. J. Mulliner & Co., Ltd., Chiswick.

The legend on the lorry says, this time, "R.S.P.C.A. - Army Vetinary Hospitals - Abbeville".



-- Edited by Runflat on Tuesday 28th of August 2012 09:17:51 PM

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Every piece of information helps. For instance, this drawings shows for the first time (to me at least) the shape of the external flanges used to attach the massive hinges to the door and body flooring. It also shows, perhaps more clearly than a photograph, how the canvas wind covers were attached to the cab sidewalls, and more or less their general shape.
Good find Runflat! I'm indebted again!



-- Edited by d_fernetti on Tuesday 28th of August 2012 09:49:48 PM

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Another picture of the Thornycroft 'swiveling' horse box from Motor Traction November 1st, 1916.  The inscription reads: On Monday of last week the King inspected, at Buckingham Palace, this interesting type of horse ambulance.  It is built upon a heavy Thornycroft chassis and the body is reversible, so that the horse is able to enter and leave it walking forward in each case, thereby doing away with any backing of the animal.




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This one seems much larger than the previous -and simpler- ambulances on Commercar lorries. I guess there was some form of articulation between body and cab. BTW note the long board placed at the side of the vehicle. Probably the rear of the cab had some sort of tools or materials stored in there.

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Just been reading through these pages and although I cannot remember where I "found" this set of plans, Ive attached them to share with all

Paul

 

 

ThornycroftHorseAmbulance.jpg



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Nice drawings . . . where did you find them?

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Incredible! Thanks a lot!!!!!!!

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I cannot remember where I found this set of drawings but I have done a few searches on the web and cannot find them still. So they are "for discussion only"
Paul

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Here's a German pic almost related to the tread.  Vehicle appears to be an altered French farm/hay cart with a box-like attachment benieath replacing the original floor to allow the horse to ride a bit mroe securely.   



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Yes, it seems like the model was quite common in all armies, perhaps a design dating from the early XIXth century.

Here's an article with a photo of a similar cart in British service: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-16550273



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There are photos online of similar carts - they appear to be horse-drawn horse ambulances, or certainly could be used as such.

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Where on line ??????



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Diego has given you the obvious example, which other sites have as well. If I come across another I shall post.

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I`m looking to find out if anyone as found a commer horse ambulance from the 1WW, at this moment I`m looking into locating one of the horses ambulances that was donated to the Army Veterinary Corp for the war effort. Any information would be appreciated, also who made the model?



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If anyone is interested my Great Grandfather was Charles Dennis who manufactured the Dennis Horse Ambulance. I am collecting photos and info on this vehicle and its use. Thanks for the research here, especially the patent information. Cheers, Paul Dennis

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Anonymous wrote:

If anyone is interested my Great Grandfather was Charles Dennis who manufactured the Dennis Horse Ambulance. I am collecting photos and info on this vehicle and its use. Thanks for the research here, especially the patent information. Cheers, Paul Dennis

 

Sorry, I've only just spotted your post.  Do contact me (private mail) as I may have something of interest.



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Some links to some clearer pictures of those seen before (and new ones):

Commer:

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205246161

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205072048

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205247107

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205247106

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/20370

 

Thornycroft:

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205244793

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205244792



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Wow! Thanks for the new batch of photos. I had missed some of those! There's some glimpses of the interior as well.


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Commer site has a full page explaining the "engine and transmission gear used on the industrial chassis for from four to seven-ton payloads"
commer.org.nz/Historic/1910CommerReport/1910CommerReport.html

I too am looking for info...since I am planning a large scale paper model kit of this Horse Ambulance.
The goal right now is to find some Chassis plans or drawings for the Commer 4ton RC.

I think constructing the Horse box and body is fairly straightforward.
But I would like to start with a fairly accurate representation of the truck chassis
(in the same way I did with my Autocar models).

d fernetti...had any luck finding or creating any sort of plans? that you could share with me.


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same engine I believe:

https://flic.kr/p/bZHjy1

 

chain drive:

https://flic.kr/p/bZHj3q

 

3 ton RC truck:

https://flic.kr/p/bZHixL



-- Edited by airdave on Wednesday 4th of February 2015 04:04:04 PM

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