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Ironsides · Legend

Guns of the Mexican Revolution

Paul B · Lieutenant

OK, it's not part of WW1 I know but it's in the same time period! I've been looking at doing a game based on some of the Revolutionary armies, maybe using the Jacklex range of figures (I think the Raventhorpe range look too big, and anyway I'd have to get them shipped from the US) and some conversions from�plastic figures (there's a good post on this by Olli on the HaT forum).

In the Osprey on the Mexican Revolution it mentions the French manufactured Mondragon-St Chamond 75mm gun. There are a couple of vague pictures of it in the book but if anyone knows more about it - mainly does it look like anything else so that I can reasonably get away with it on a wargames table? It also mentions a Hotchkiss 37mm pom-pom cannon and a Hotchkiss 75mm gun, so likewise any info on these much appreciated!

It's also not clear what gun the US Punitive Expedition led by Pershing had - again, any ideas?

Cheers

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Paul B

Pat · Commander in Chief

I suppose you have seen this page? The images are not that detailed, though.

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=28&tid=127

PDA · Legend

The Americans would have�taken the 3in M1902 field gun (but, according to wiki, they didn't use it).

Pancho captured a lot of them.

They (the Americans)�may have taken some mountain/mule guns.

Also, take a look through the Robert Runyon collection. Some images are linked to in this old thread started by Vilkata:

http://landships.activeboard.com/t4891675/the-robert-runyon-photograph-collection/

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Ironsides · Legend

These might prove usefull

Mexican Punitive Expedition under Brigadier General John J. Pershing, 1916-1917. includes photos and much info on battles etc

Handbook of the 2.95-inch mountain gun mat�riel

Handbook of 3 inch gun 1902

I think the Hotchkiss Pom pom may well be the gun shown here see below....

This chance find�thread has many interesting pics from the Runyon collection

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=28&tid=127

�Cheers smile

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Friday 5th of October 2012 07:41:55 PM

JamesAPrattIII · Lieutenant-Colonel

I have an old gun book that has an artical on Mondragon. He did design the Mondrogon/St Chamond 75mm and a 70mm mountain gun for the Mexican army. Both type of gun were first produced in France later they were produced in Mexico. According to a 1910 US army report The Mexican army had the following artillery 2 regiments of mountain guns, 1 of horse artillery and 2 of light artillery. Each regiment had 2 battalions each of 2 batteries. Mountain and light gun batteries had 6 guns while horse artillery batteries had 4. It looks like 112 were in service if the units were at full strength plus they may have had others in reserve all mondragon designed. The mexican army also had 80 older breech loading guns in reserve. Also there were 8 large coast defense guns designed by Mondragon and made in mexico and instaled at the port of Salina Cruz. i hope this is of some use to you.