Landships II

PDA · Legend

German Wagons Again

Ironsides · Legend

Hi PDA according to "Waffen Arsenal-153-Deutsche Infanteriekarren 1900-1945" by W. Fleischer, it appears to be the same as the Schwere Proviantwagen 05 (heavy provisions Wagon)and later was renamed Schwerer Heeresfeldwagen HF2 (Heavy army field wagon)with minor modifications, so the answer is a resounding�yes. WW1 german photos show that on occations only two horses were sometimes used, although I believe it can be up to six.

James originally posted this link on another thread

Waffen Arsenal-153-Deutsche Infanteriekarren 1900-1945" by W. Fleischer�

there is another more recent book available by the same authour

Bespannte Fahrzeuge des deutschen Heeres

Cheers wink

-- Edited by Ironsides on Sunday 9th of December 2012 04:26:47 PM

28juni14 · Hero

Hello Unclean Creature,

Looks like a realy nice kit. � �The vehicle pictured closely resembles the Hf.2 heavy field wagon. �This Wehrmacht vehicle(Hf.2) is nearly indistinguishable from the Great War Heavy Provisions Wagon 05. � �Only two ready features( to my knowledge ) indentify the WW2 version from the earlier model; �The driver's seat rails and the "spare " wheel. � The later was not present on the original 05, �and the seat hand rail was changed from the "squared off" style to a more rounded countor on the forward portion of the rail. � Thusly, �corrections to convert to the 05 would be (1) lose the wheel attached to the rear, (2) replace those hand rails with wire (3) both the 05 and Hf.2 carried 5 tilt hoops; not six. � Oh, and find another pair of horses; four are needed to pull this wagon when loaded. ��

TinCanTadpole · Legend

Re hoops in the tilt, the model pictured has the same number (five) as the first of Ironsides' photos. There are not too many on the model if the wagon pictured in the photo is of the correct period (which it looks to be, according to the handrails in both of Ironsides' photos), it is rather that the bulkheads at either end are taller than necessary.

Rob · Legend

So, when did this wagon replace the earlier version with the strange horse food box at the rear, as depicted in HaT's WW1 German wagon kit?

Ironsides · Legend

Hi Rob, the wagons are different both saw service in both wars with minor modification, the WW1 wagon would be either the Packwagen 02 or Feldwagen 95 which is similar. Cheers

PDA · Legend

Thank you, Ironsides and 28juni14. I will get one and leave the spare wheel off, and change the driver's seat rails for ones made from wire. Not much I can do about the hoops, short of making a tilt out of paper and white glue and more wire for the hoops.

Again, many thanks.

Pat · Commander in Chief

PDA wrote:
Not much I can do about the hoops, short of making a tilt out of paper and white glue and more wire for the hoops.

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PDA, not that I could have answered the question but I just re-read the answers above.

If the hoops number should be five the model is spot on, because under the tilt are seven "bumps", the front bulkhead, five hoops, plus the back bulkhead. So do not worry about the hoops.

PDA · Legend

Yes,�I see what you mean, Pat, but on the model the front and rear bulkheads are too tall when you compare them with the first of Ironsides' photos. Going by that one photo alone, and what 28juni14 says, there should be only 5 "bumps" under the canvass. Personally, I don't think it will notice much, so I won't be changing it.

Ironsides · Legend

"with the exception of the horses, look at their bellies"

Typical wartime half starved unsung heroes... compare with�the slightly alarmed beautifull pair�in the previous post both pics came from soldiers WW1 albums... its always possible to add preiser or revell horses for a less starved team, but the revell ones are�a bit too big for the small wagon nothing wrong with the size just Big horses...

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Cheers smile

-- Edited by Ironsides on Tuesday 11th of December 2012 11:48:18 AM

-- Edited by Ironsides on Tuesday 11th of December 2012 11:52:11 AM

Pat · Commander in Chief

I'll be watching with interest.

I think the HaT wagons are a great product (with the exception of the horses, look at their bellies).

The only parts giving me headaches is the brakes. Oddly, most models I've seen built show them to far away from the wheels they are supposed to decelerate; that is also the case in the model photo from PSR you used. The kit's rear wheels must be pressed closely to the wagon's body, but then the axles stand out quite proudly.