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Bunkermeister


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In February, 2007 Valilka posted a few photos of the US Skeleton tank.  He also stated something about the Skeleton tank having been used in Nicaragua in the 1920s as well as it having a turret from a Renault FT.

The photos have since disappeared and there was never any followup to his questions about the Skeleton tank being used in Central America. 

Can anyone repost or otherwise direct me to the photos?

Is there an update on the use of a turret on the Skeleton tank or on it's use in Nicaragua?

I have noted a disturbing trend that many of the photos on this site no longer exist, or the links are dead, or link to photobucket or similar locations and are gone. 

 

Mike Bunkermeister Creek



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Bunkermeister wrote:
...I have noted a disturbing trend that many of the photos on this site no longer exist, or the links are dead, or link to photobucket or similar locations and are gone.

Unfortunately there isn't much we can do about this - by their nature, links are to external sources and cannot be controlled. Photobucket accounts fall dormant or are deleted, the same goes for other image-hosting sites. I'm sure this isn't the only forum to which this happens. Hopefully another member saved them (I didn't) and will see your message and re-post them.



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Hope this comes through okay.

I had it saved as an MHT file, but will try and save it in a different format if it doesn't work

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Here's a detailed story I found somewhere about the Skeleton tank - and an M1917 turret being fitted at one stage.

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This is, I think, the original article.

If you want the pics larger, I have them, too.



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The MTH file leads me to a blank screen. The Wheelock document comes through perfectly, the Skeleton Tank document text is fine, but the pictures are only white squares.

Thanks Tonys for helping, great information.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

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Tonys wrote:

This is, I think, the original article.

If you want the pics larger, I have them, too.

Is that significantly different from the version on Landships II?

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles.html?load=tank_articles/skeleton.html



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It should only be different in format - when Phil and I moved the articles we just cut and pasted the text. The only changes made were to fix

obvious spelling errors.

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Charlie



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Thank you Rodger Todd and CharlieC that seems to work just fine.

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I have converted Vilkata's article to Word format.



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This time with the pictures made smaller to meet the maximum size restriction



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Thank you Tonys and Vilkata, that's a great article and I love the pictures. Now if we can only find that information and photos from Central America about the Skeleton Tank!

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Much as I should like this to be true, I can't see it.

As regards Nicaraguan tanks in general, it seems that Mussolini gave the regime a CV tankette, with twin machine guns. It's part of a display at the Museum of the Revolution, still there. In the overseas operations of the M1917 described in Camp Colt to Desert Storm there is no mention of any being sent to Nicaragua. There's no mention on the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_6ton_M1917.pdf.

As for the Renault turret - or would that be an M1917 turret? - on the Skeleton Tank, the only thing approaching one that I can recall is a rather unconvincing one on top of the cab of the tracked Steam Tank, and it looks as if it's been drawn on.

That's all I got.



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It would be nice if someone had the books referred to in the article I posted by Ben Elliot.



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Who is Ben Elliot?

Have we had this one, btw?

skeletontank01.jpg



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First time I have seen it!

Thanks for that.

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James,

He wrote the article I posted on the tank's history two days ago.

His name appears at the bottom of the last page.



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Tonys wrote:

James,

He wrote the article I posted on the tank's history two days ago.

His name appears at the bottom of the last page.

 Yes, I know. Perhaps I should have said, "Is there any available information about Ben Elliot?" Is he contactable?



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Haven't found the source yet, but you might be interested in this YouTube compilation of "Rare American Tanks of WWI":https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QeDtZgfq0wU



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I was surprised to find that the article had been published previously: http://landships.activeboard.com/mobile.spark?p=topic&topic=6049033, where the erudite and learned Roger Todd, Tim R, and Vilkata discussed the matter in 2006!

There were two articles: one by Tim R on the Pioneer Tractor Co (was in Rich Text Format, but I have converted it to a Word document) and the other was written by Vilkata aka Ben Elliot.  He hasn't been on the site for over a year.

For ease of reference. Tim's document is attached.

 



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I've seen that on a number of occasions. The Steam Tank with the apparently superimposed turret appears at 4' 25". The Caterpillar G9 was a film prop.



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Another detailed discussion on the tank, this time between Vilkata, Centurion, and Tim R: http://landships.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=5069059.



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Gentlemen I have been reading this post with a lot of interest. Ben is an expert when it comes to the Skeleton Tank, I have no reason to doubt his resources, but I on the other had have researched this notion of the Skeleton Tank being sent to Central America to absolutely no avail, I have seen and read snippets of information regarding this notion, but no full blown proof. I have contacted both Army and Marine authorities in regards to this subject, as well as the Library of Congress, No information was forth coming to either proof or disproof this theory.

So unfortunately to me at least until concrete proof is found I remain skeptical.

All the Best

Tim R.



-- Edited by Tim R on Wednesday 25th of June 2014 05:07:53 PM

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