Landships II

thorst · Colonel

Mark IV 3D CAD drawings

green_acorn · Captain

Truly superb, I am envious of your skill.

Chris

argonne64 · Captain

Magnifique !
Thorst : Placing the 2 hooks on the roof of the cab for the fascine , you will have to place the 2 hooks on the glacis , they go together.
Best Regards
Olivier

thorst · Colonel

You are right. It is not an error in my model, which includes the hooks. I only missed to include them in the render. It took 3 hours on my computer to calculate, so I didn't redo it.

28juni14 · Hero

Hallo!

Can you advise the software you are using ? It looks a good deal like Rhino.

MFG

28juni14

thorst · Colonel

Yes, it is Rhino 3D V5.

green_acorn · Captain

Thorsten,

I had forgotten about an Australian modelers site which has detailed walk around photo's of "Grit" the Mk IV at the Australian War Memorial which is in its original state from when it was shipped to Australia in 1918 to help with War Bonds fund raising. here it is www.ammsbrisbane.com/ajax/reference/Mark_IV.html

Cheers,
Chris
Brisbane Australia

green_acorn · Captain

Thorsten,

As pointed out by CharlieC on a thread regarding the colour of WW1 British tanks, I gave you the incomplete URL:

"The URL for the AMMS page is incorrect - it should be: www.ammsbrisbane.com/home.html

(it's a similar setup to the Landships II pages - you need a special URL to load in the whole page rather than a broken version

of the content only)."

Thanks to CharlieC.
Cheers,
Chris

thorst · Colonel

Chris, thank you. I already have these saved in my files, but it's very kind!

Best regards,
Thorsten

MK1 Nut · Hero

An amazing piece of 3D modelling there Thorsten. A lot of hours work. You should be rightly proud of what you have achieved.

Helen x

Frogman · Corporal

Thanks for your great CAD drawings of the Cambrai fascine apparatus! They're just what the doctor ordered for my fascine tank model.

With regards to the "French Windlass," ( Do they call them "English Windlasses" in France?) Would you say these like are braided towing cables, or ropes, or some kind of bungee?

Best regards,

New Member,

Greg (Frogman)

thorst · Colonel

Greg,

I'm glad that my drawings are helpful for you. I have no hard evidence, but I think that it is a piece of rope. It seems to be closed with a knot as far as I can see from the photographs. A towing cable might be too stiff for that purpose.

Best regards,
Thorsten

Wollhodden · Major

This was a question I'd also already in mind!
But, if it weight about 2 tons does a rope can hold it?
Can you, maybe, enlarge the picture of the knots? I don't know how to make it without make the picture vague.

argonne64 · Captain

Hello

"Spanish windlass" is related to the mode of execution in Spain ( Garrote ).
It is related to turn 2 rope together using a lever to create tension.
The rope on a fascine is not intended to hold the weight of the bundle but to tension it up to the forward .

Best Regards
Olivier

Wollhodden · Major

That makes sense! Thanks a lot!

Also the explain of the term "spnish windlass", now I'm just wondering how we name it in germany? Never mind of that! confuse

Wollhodden · Major

Another question(s) which came in my mind:

Were that ropes attached just for the transport?
Other devices, as the Hayney book (p.110), shows a original drawing, were a CHAIN is attached to the front hook.
So they maybe tighten them up for secure transport on the railway?

And what happend to the chain after releasing?
It would be still attached on the front hook and slipped underneath the tank while driving further on.
Well, maybe this wouldn't harm that much, because there might be no obstacles on the battlefield that a 28t tank couldn't handle (or the hook might break away).
I can't imagine that somebody would go out side just to release it..

What do you think (or maybe know)?

thorst · Colonel

The drawing in the Hayne's manual is rather a scheme than a blueprint. All pictures I know which show the fascine in this position seem to show ropes.

After releasing, the ropes just fell off. That is why the hooks at the front point to the bottom. The lugs will just slide off.

But for a further discussion, I would suggest to start a dedicated thread with your questions, such that the topic can be found by a search in the forum in the future.

Best regards,
Thorsten

-- Edited by thorst on Wednesday 15th of November 2017 05:57:36 PM

Wollhodden · Major

thorst wrote:

But for a further discussion, I would suggest to start a dedicated thread with your questions, such that the topic can be found by a search in the forum in the future.

I've added at this threat, not to overload the forum with different threads with questions about fascines.
https://landships.activeboard.com/t63516077/fascines-and-cribs/?page=last#lastPostAnchor

If you have any pictures, showing the attachment on the front might you please post it there?

Thanks a lot!

Oliver