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There was a discussion about Mr. M a few years ago in which Toddy took part. One of the questions was of his nationality. I believe Mr. T is perusing the Forum as I write. According to this ancestry site, Macfie was born in USA but living in Devon by 1901 and London by 1911. To find out more would require expenditure that I don't wish to make, but he seems to have crossed the Atlantic in one direction or another on at least one occasion. With the necessary access I'm sure it would be possible to trace his movements. And he apparently spent some time in the Caribbean, where he saw the Holt tractors that he so urged upon the Landships Committee and others.



-- Edited by James H on Thursday 2nd of October 2014 02:16:41 PM

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Do you mean Robert Francis MACFIE born about 1882 (very roughly) in the USA and then in Devonport in 1901 as an engineer student at the naval eng college at Keyham Yard, US born but a Brit subject - possibly a child of an expat Scot?

He seems to have travelled to South Africa in 1908, back to England in 1909 - no US or Canadian trips obvious.

He was in Colinton near Edinburgh in the 1891 (?) census according to a family tree on ancestry.co.uk (which may be your link - I'm ignoring it as it is viglink and behaving oddly for me) so a look at that tree and at scotlandspeople.gov.uk for the census and ?birth data would also be needed.

This is as much as I can do as any more will cost and/or involve decisions as to possible errors in the data or transcription thereof.




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Oh, tip-top info. Thank you. It's very gratifying when another enthusiast adds to the sum of knowledge.

Further study seems to indicate that he was born in San Francisco on Nov 11, 1881 (The Royal Aero Club Aviators' Certificates, 1910-1950. He also designed, built, and flew a monoplane before the War. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macfie_monoplane)

According to Canadian Passenger Lists 1865-1935, he sailed to Nova Scotia at some point, and Canada Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A) 1919-24 has a Robert Francis Macfie landing in Quebec.

That's all I can do on this budget.

P.S. I don't know what a viglink is.



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Just checked a local-ish connection that caught my eye. RFM - if it be he - was aged 9 in the 1891 census staying with his - I suspect - great-grandfather Robert Macfie who was then a ?retired sugar merchant and owned Dreghorn Castle near Colinton in Midlothian (now the southern outskirts of Edinburgh).

The castle was taken over by the Army in the early 20th century and eventually reduced to such a state that it was demolished. The Ministry of Defence still holds land in the area.

The link in your post came up as Viglink (a commercial company) rather than any ancestry site so I stopped it.



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When I was researching the Macfie article many years ago, I found various leads on Macfie and his family which I didn't pursue for various reasons.

There's an archive on the family at the University of Glasgow, a catalogue of which I downloaded. The Introduction says:

DC120
MacFie Family
Sugar refiners, Greenock and Liverpool

This large collection covers both the business and personal affairs of the MacFie family, sugar refiners of Greenock, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Liverpool, over at least five generations and 200 years.  It mainly concerns the families of William MacFie of Greenock (died 1854) and John MacFie of Edinburgh (died 1852) and their descendants, but covers many other MacFies and relations by marriage extending very widely as the years go on and including branches of the family in Canada, Sweden, America, Australia, Hawaii and the West Indies.  It deals with events both local and national.  Members of the family were connected with the church, medicine, local and national politics, the services, county life, and many business concerns.  Latterly (1900 onwards) the family tree is not so clear and a number of persons mentioned cannot be tied up to their exact parentage, but were probably children and grandchildren of earlier mentioned MacFies.  Many aspects of life, social and artistic, are dealt with and often reflect Victorian sentimentality (as in poetry composed after death).  Many industrial and scientific innovations are mentioned and the family played their part in promoting these things.  Overall the papers trace the history and development of sugar refining in this country, dealing with developments in the refining process, the constant battle with the government over duty and foreign competition, and the conditions of the workers.

Somewhat tantalising are these listed items:

Box 33

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1914-1919 Envelope of items on invention of the tank in which R F MacFie [son of R A MacFie, Sandwich Islands, later West Indies] was involved.  Many felt he did not get true credit

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1911-1915 Letters business and personal, including 1 small group of letters refers to sale of Dreghorn Castle.  Like Redford, it was bought by the government and is now Dreghorn Camp/Rifle Range.  The other group of letters were all written by R A MacFie (of Sandwich Islands) now in West Indies.  Despite financial ups and downs, he seems quite happy.  He refers to the death of William MacFie [eldest son of Robert (Greenock)].  His son, R F MacFie (Bertie) was something of an inventor.  He was interested in the new aeronautics and invented the ‘Continuous Bagasse Diffusion Process’;  he was also involved in the invention of the tank and many people felt he should have got more credit than he did for this.  Letters also interesting on West Indies politics.  David Johnstone MacFie and his wife died.  Several young MacFies doing their bit in the war;  at least one fatality

I also have a downloaded scanned page from the 1901 Census with him on it, listed as Age last birthday 19; Born in the USA (British subject).

Glanfield (Devil's Chariots) notes that apart from spending 1912 and 1913 on plantations (presumably connected with the family business) in the West Indies, which is where he saw Holt tractors in action, Macfie also spent six months in Western Canada before the War studying powered ploughing for a New York group planning to build tractors. This included an appraisal of Holts.



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Thank you, gentlemen, both. I can offer only my internet gropings. However, they have come up with a couple of things.

Contrary to the theory that RFM was a British subject, a patent of June 4th, 1923 reads: Be it known that I, ROBERT FRANCIS MACFIE, a citizen of the United States of America, residing in London, England, have invented certain new and useful Improvements in Machines for the Treatment of Vaccine, of which the following is a specification.

And a letter to his daughter, in California, from someone obviously doing a bit of genealogy:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mcafeeresearchers/conversations/messages/2014

There are also photos of him flying a biplane at Brooklands in 1910 or thereabouts, but unfortunately he's not recognisable:

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Im1910FL-Macfie58.jpg



-- Edited by James H on Thursday 2nd of October 2014 11:04:40 PM

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With reference to Viglink, see my previous post on the matter:  http://www.landships.net/t57574378/anything-dodgy-happening-with-links/

 

Tony



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