Landships II

Capitan Print · Captain

ID Turkish (Osman) field gun of the beginning of XX century

Barbanente · Major

Hi

I do not know if it is the same model, but it seems that Argentina had an offer of Nordenfelt (London) to use the barrel of guns Krupp 7.5 cm / L24,5 1884 model and modernize, using a carriage Maxim Nordenfelt 1896.

He offered a screw breech block Maxim Nordenfelt, who later became the Krupp selection to modify all previous models, and in a somewhat fake competition, won the same Krupp.-

Its braking and recoil system in the carriage (hydraulic and spring), was similar to those of rapid fire guns to the Argentine Navy. He also had a shield, which after almost all would use in WWI.-

The prototype is preserved at the Museum of Military College Nación.-

Regards

Eduardo

CharlieC · Legend

The towed gun in the image certainly isn't a 75mm Krupp export gun - bought in hundreds by the Ottomans before WW1.

I think Eduardo's suggestion is the best I've seen - the Ottoman Army had received 59 75mm L/27 field guns in 1885/1886

so there would have been guns available for conversion.

The cylinders are recoil/recuperators - on the rear view of the Argentinian gun the attachment lug just in front of the breech can be seen.

Regards,

Charlie

Barbanente · Major

Hi

He was followed by the best known QF 2.95 inch mountain gun mod.1897 manufactured by Vickers

http://www.victorianforts.co.uk/arming/mountaingun.htm

Which maintained the same breech block and the same brake recoil than its predecessor, but with a short barrel and a gun carriage mountain.-

In the Argentine Navy was used as landing cannon.-

The guns of the next picture have plates Maxim-Nordenfelt (or Vickers, Sons & Maxim) 75mm, Mod 1897, and came aboard gunboats "Parana" and "Rosario" in the year 1908.-

Foto MWAA de zonamilitar

They are preserved in the Naval “Base de Puerto Belgrano”.-

Remember them in the movie "Legionnaire", from Jean-Claude Van Damme?

Regards

Eduardo

CharlieC · Legend

Another possibility is a 6 Pounder Hotchkiss gun mounted on a field carriage. The 6 Pounder anti-torpedo boat guns were offered for sale

with naval mounts and/or field carriages in the 1890s. The guns could be swapped between the mountings dependent on mission. Certainly

Nordenfeld sold 6 Pounder guns configured like this - the Queensland government bought a couple in the 1890s. I've read that Hotchkiss

also offered a land carriage but I've never seen an image or drawing of this.

Regards,

Charlie

Barbanente · Major

Hi

The appearance of the Hotchkiss QF was a little different from the photo "Turkish (Osman) field gun of the beginning of the twentieth century", are higher , the cylinders of recoil / recuperators are shorter and thicker, and the movements, lifting and turning, are those of naval model. And the breech block is from vertical displacement.-

In the following pictures you see a 3pound (47mm) it should not have been very different to 6 pound (57mm) .

commons.wikimedia.org

http://fotosergs.livejournal.com/15596.html

Regards

Eduardo