Landships II

Luca · Major

Whippet Meng

CrashandBern · Field Marshal

Hi Luca, good start on your Whippet. The angle brackets front and rear are correct and were fitted to operational tanks, they were used to string a canvas track cover between see the attached pictures.

I can't say for sure about the bulge on the back of the cab but none of my reference pictures show it, the APG Whippet had the remnants of a flat bracket in that position so Meng may be getting confused with that?

Luca · Major

Hi Bernard
Thanks, first of all wink

As for the brackets that solves my doubts.

As for the bulge on the back plate, I'm on the way to remove it. Meng says that the vehicle at Bovington was the main reference, and since there is no bulge neither on Caesar nor on your pictures, I think that's enough to have a model without it biggrin

Your help really much appreciated

Luca

-- Edited by Luca on Saturday 9th of April 2016 12:54:16 PM

Red truck · Corporal

I just had a look at photos i took of my local whippet (CFB Bordon) and I don't see the bulge.

Willem Visser · Brigadier

That bulge looks like the bracket for a shovel.
(You see bulges like that on older kits but then there is a second bracket for the handle above it)
Could that be it?
Willem

Luca · Major

Hi Gents

Thanks for your contributions aww

Here is where we are so far:

This is the exAPG Whippet and, as Bernard said, there is the remnant of a flat bracket, something looking like the bulge of the Meng model...

This is the Whippet at Borden and, as Red truck said, no bulge on it...

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Firefly, Bruxelles. Here is the bulge again, and Willem, you're right, it actually looks like a shovel bracket, yet I can't understand if the "thing" is hollowed or it is not disbelief

(BTW, I found these pics here on Landships, however they are for discussion purposes only).

We already know that there is no bulge on Caesar

I could speculate that there were different "subversions" of this vehicle confuse , but that's just a pure speculation.

In my opinion that means, so far, that it is possible to build a model with or without the bulge, unless you decide to reproduce one specific vehicle, and in this case it would be Caesar smile

Regards

Luca

Paul Bonnett · Hero

The bulge is for securing the point of the spade to stop it flapping about or jumping loose from the handle bracket. No suspension do'nt forget. The canvas track covers were meant to cut out the glare from above from the worn areas on the track.
Paul

Luca · Major

Hi Paul

Thanks for your authoritative opinion smile

In these days I changed my opinion as for the features of my Whippet biggrin

The left plate of the fighting compartment of Caesar is different from the matching plates of the other vehicles whose pics I could check

No reinforcement strips on the plate of Caesar, and hexagonal head bolts. That's the way Meng provides the part.

Now the plate of Firefly, which matches the other surviving vehicles and pics of the operational vehicles

Reinforcement strips on the edges, rounded head bolts, and the rack has a more "classic" shape.

Moreover, Firefly has the bulge for the shovel.

Ok, maybe Caesar is a restored vehicle and its left plate is a new one?

I can't have an ultimate opinion, yet I change my way and decided to reproduce a vehicle in the "Firefly style".

Here is where I'm so far

Any contribution, of course, much appreciated aww

Regards

Luca

Luca · Major

Hi all smile

Little update of my Whippet

Front visor cover and front MG added

The thin (and delicate) handles of the engine deck.

The body of the model is almost finished, just one MG missing, on the right side.

Now I have another question: have you experts any tip as for the markings of a vehicle with such features as mine?

Thanks in advance

Luca

Luca · Major

Hi Gents

I laboriously finished my Whippet and here is how it looks

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Well, I don't want to be tedious, but I'd like to ask you again any hint as for painting and markings of such a vehicle.

I'd like to avoid coarse (?) mistakes aww

As usually, thanks in advance for every assistance

Regards

Luca

Tonys · Field Marshal

The manufacturer's claims are often dubious - I have a kit of HMS Dreadnought where the manufacturer said that a particular book was used as reference. I have the book and they obviously didn't read it fully!

The Brussels Whippet shows the detail.

I'd attached the 68-page booklet on the comparison of the four whippets: South Africa; Bovington; Aberdeen Proving Ground; and Brussels. However, the 12MB size was rejected by the post, so if anyone wants a copy, please give me an email address and I'll send it.

Tony

-- Edited by Tonys on Tuesday 14th of June 2016 09:43:48 AM

Paul Bonnett · Hero

Nice model Luca, go to this website and click on lists, then scroll down to Whippets. there are 2 pages of names,numbers etc
sites.google.com/site/landships/home
Paul

Luca · Major

Thank you Gents for your help.

I'll post my progress with the Whippet so you can check if everything is ok... smile

Regards

Luca

airdave · Major

Just thought these images might be of interest...or not. Your decision.
(I took this photo on a recent visit to Camp Borden (CFB Borden Ontario).)
Looks like there was some sort of removal/repair/patch in the area in question.

Luca · Major

Hi Dave

Thanks for your pics, sure they are of interest for me.

And I agree, something was in that area, likely the holder of the shovel.

What do you think, maybe the color of the Camp Borden Whippet is the original one?

Regards

Luca

Tonys · Field Marshal

Any idea what those large circular plates are?

Red truck · Corporal

see "The Camadian Whippet"post from April 2007 re colour.

-- Edited by Red truck on Monday 27th of June 2016 12:37:07 PM

airdave · Major

Apologies...I could not tell you if the Borden Whippet is the original colour.
I'm sure its repainted like everything else in the Museum.

I can tell you that the inside is different colour, if that matters.

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There are round access holes in the body, covered by those round plates.

The plates are spaced out , like vent covers, but I think they were welded in place.

The tank appears to be missing the large cover or box that is seen on other Whippets.

Looks like cooling vents for the rear drive units.

Luca · Major

The Whippet at Bruxelles should be still in the original color, as far as I know.

However, the Borden Whippet color is, at least, likely smile

Thanks again, Dave

airdave · Major

The Borden Whippet might be in original paint...
as these photos seem to show:
http://svsm.org/gallery/whippet_wor?page=1
(Check out the underside shots)

However, the track has obviously been painted over,
aswell as the red and white paintwork.
The photos are too yellow and bright (from flash?).
The actual colour is darker, and less "grass" green...more dirty green.

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Here are some alternate photos and info about this Tank:
preservedtanks.com/Profile.aspx

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I was going to contact the Borden Museum for you, and ask them about the Whippet.
But I cannot find any email contact info...just telephone (long distance).
centraleastontario.cioc.ca/record/ALL0351

-- Edited by airdave on Monday 4th of July 2016 01:47:30 PM

Luca · Major

Thanks for your help Dave.

You just behave like a friend smile

I'm not a maniac as for the colors of my models, yet WWI tanks camo are pretty mysterious for me...

Regards

Paul Bonnett · Hero

In your first link Dave there are quite clear shots of older paintwork, around the front idler and also on the return rollers which clearly shows a darker shade of green
Paul

airdave · Major

Looks like someone did some spraypainting...signs of soft edge overspray...
and then sanded or roughed up the finish to look worn.

Luca · Major

Hi all

I finally painted the Whippet.

Here are pics with the base colour and after the modulation.

Further steps will modify the look of the vehicle biggrin

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More pics coming soon.

Regards

Luca

Luca · Major

Hi Gents

Some progress with the Whippet

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Any comment, criticism, opinion would be much appreciated.

Regards

Luca

thorst · Colonel

Looks great! Will you add it to a diorama? It would deserve one.

Luca · Major

Hi Thorst

Thanks smile

Actually I'd like to place it in a diorama. In this case some more weathering will be added, and maybe extra stowage, too.

Regards

Luca

Luca · Major

Hi Gents

Here are the photos of the Whippet with the track grousers on the racks.

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I call the model done smile

Thanks for watching and for your help

Regards

Luca

alfisherjr · Colonel

Very nice indeed! Am looking forward to seeing the results of your diorama . . .

Bosun Al

Luca · Major

Thanks Al
Need a nice idea biggrin

chopsm1 · Lieutenant

Looks great Luca :)

John

Luca · Major

Thanks John.
Sorry for the late replay cry

Luca · Major

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Valeriy67 · Captain

Hi, Luca! Look overhead view.

Luca · Major

Hi Valeriy

Thank you, great stuff!

Here is my ref pic

For discussion purposes only

I used the rivets of the armor plates of the tank to estimate the size of the stripes.

As far as you know, where they actually painted on the ceiling of the fighting compartment, too?

Valeriy67 · Captain

Probably -

Luca · Major

Yes Valeriy, you're right.

Excellent tip, ty biggrin