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Good afternoon! I have an other question

 

On the Takom Mark IV's you get four pe-parts which have to be attached to the inner-backsides of the tank. There is nothing attached further down the build to these pe-parts. This week I asked a question about the way the wooden beam was attached to the rails and Mad Zeppelin attached a picture where you can also see the "brackets". The question came up again and keeps me busy .....

 

Can anyone tell where these brackets were for. On the picture attached I have encicled them with red and black. As they are aligned above each other it looks like something could be attached to the tank. But what was it that was placed in these brackets?

 

Best regards,

Willem

 



-- Edited by Willem Visser on Saturday 23rd of April 2016 06:33:49 PM

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Remnants of a camouflage(?) system using wooden planks. All Mk.IV tanks were produced with appliances for it, but the system was never introduced. We had a discussion about this some time ago, but I don't remember the title.

The brackets you have marked were the rear supports of this system. The middle supports were modified as supports for the unditching beam rails. The front supports (on the cab) were removed in field service because they had to make room for the rails. (Training tanks in Britain, however, retained these front brackets.)

The rear brackets were just left in place, as they obstructed nothing, but they had no function.



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Thanks again Mad Zeppelin!!!!

That makes sence. And do you refer to the other brackets as in the following picture:

brackets.png

It is a part of a picture of a tadpole.

Best regards,

Willem



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Yes, that are the ones.



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Hello Mad Zeppelin,

while looking for more pictures of those brackets I found one that is interesting. It is of a German Mark IV (Beute).

Brackets Mark IV Beute.png

The Germans made good use of the brackets. They used them to support the (lenghtened?) steel beams to support the unditching beam.......

I will be looking further to see if this was "standard" on the beute Mark IV's.

Best regards,

Willem



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No, it wasn't standard, although I can name four Beute tanks that used the rear brackets to support the rail of the unditching beam. Two of them, however, used only the upper brackets. And two have the elaborate system shown in the picture you posted. Unfortunately, one can't classify these tanks into one group - like early or late, attachment seems to have been left to chance.



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weren't the front brackets used for trench crossing fascines? I think I saw this depicted in an Osprey book once.

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No. If you have seen this in a book it is incorrect.

Gwyn

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Willem, there's another detail which appears to be a German addition as I've only seen it on Beutepanzers and that is the cross rod between the unditching rails at the back of the storage box.

Anybody got anything on the origin of this?

Tony



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Hello Tony,
If I understand your question correct we have discussed these rods before
here: http://landships.activeboard.com/t62090725/questions-on-two-parts-of-the-mark-iv/
I have posted pictures of British Mark IV's with these rods in place.

Best regards,
Willem



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Definitely a British fitting. Unditching rails were modified slightly after 22 August 1917 (F Battalion first, later widely adopted) and this piece inserted to brace the rails.

Gwyn


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