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Enrico


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Hallo,

at Museo Storico Nazionale della Guerra (National War History Museum) of Rovereto, Italy, there is a 7,5 cm M03 Krupp field gun with steel wheels clearly coming from the batch ordered by Ottoman army in  Germany between 1903 and 1905.

According to the Museum, the piece was in Italian service, but they do not know much more; on their behalf I am trying to find out the whereabouts of the gun.

So far I could ascertain the number delivered to Turkey and the fact that several hundred of them were lost to Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece during Balkan Wars. According to Storia dell'Artiglieria Italiana in 1942 six of these guns were in Italian service (while none in 1940): in my opinion this means that they were war booty aquired either from the Greeks or from the Yugoslavian.

Could anybody add any more detailed information on this point? Do you know whether the Greeks or the Yugoslavians replaced the wooden wheels with steel ones?

thank you

 



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Hi Enrico,

Nice to see you here
I wasn't aware there was a Turkish Krupp gun in Rovereto. One of these days we have to arrange a good photo report of their depots.

In the past I've asked myself the same question regarding the 75 mm in Trieste:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/massimofoti/33771017498/in/album-72157704567294972/

Yes, the Turkish Army lost many of these during the Balkan Wars

A nice example is visible in Belgrade:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/massimofoti/7257191788/in/album-72157629743227210/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/massimofoti/7257168804/in/album-72157629743227210/

Sure there is the chance the Italian got these in Lybia in 1911, but I believe it's more likely they came from Yugoslavia or Greece.

No need to say you can contact me directly if you need more pictures.

Massimo



-- Edited by Massimo Foti on Saturday 12th of October 2019 04:54:44 PM



-- Edited by Massimo Foti on Sunday 13th of October 2019 06:27:59 AM

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I don't recall the example at Roverto having Arabic lettering on the breach rear. Of course I'm sure all are aware the Italians manufactured the Krupp M1906 under licence.



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28juni14 wrote:

Of course I'm sure all are aware the Italians manufactured the Krupp M1906 under licence.

 

Yes, we are.



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All the pre-war 75mm Krupp guns were marked in Osmanli script (Turkish written in Arabic characters).

There were 4 gun orders and two groups of "acquisitions",

1903 - 96

1905 - 462

1910 - 90

1911 - 88

1914 - 54 (these were ex-Brazilian order guns seized by the German Govt at the outbreak of war - they don't have script markings)

- unknown number of Rumanian 75mm guns captured in 1917 - these have Carol I cipher and no script markings.

Certainly the orders until 1910 are numbered sequentially. I don't know about the 1911 order guns - never seen a survivor.

There are some 75mm survivors here:

http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/home.html?L0=2&L1=4&L2=0

There are differences in the breech construction of the 1903/1905 orders and 1910/(1911?) orders.

Regards,

Charlie

 

While I think of it - the serial number and acceptance date are inscribed on the top of the breech block - the number under the

charge port is the barrel weight.

 

 

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Saturday 12th of October 2019 10:34:29 PM



-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 13th of October 2019 11:28:57 AM

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