Landships II

Centurion · Legend

High velocity gun

eugene · Field Marshal

i think in one of the older threads there was a picture of various guns confiscated by the allies by the end of the war, and a gun like that was present

Roger Todd · Legend

Looks like the Krupp 10cm K17, L/45:

http://earth.endless.ne.jp/users/mac0115/10K1704.JPG

Not a great photo, to be sure - there's a better one in Jaeger, which I'll try to scan later. Meanwhile, among the photos on this page are a few of a preserved gun in San Antonio:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sethgaines/sets/140150/

-- Edited by Roger Todd at 23:17, 2006-07-21

Roger Todd · Legend

Here, as promised, are the images from Jaeger:

Centurion · Legend

Thanks Roger

With a gun shield it looks as if it could be expected to provide direct fire. Would this have been used as an AT gun?

Peter Kempf · Field Marshal

This is a Krupp 10cm M/17 cannon. Look at this link: http://www.landships.freeservers.com/new_pages/10cm_kanone14-17_info.htm

Use it as an AT gun? Well, almost anything goes in a pinch, but this was a gun to use for special long-range work, like anti-battery fire, and to use it deliberately as an AT gun would be terrible waste of arty asset.

Roger Todd · Legend

Flippin' heck, Peter, why didn't I look at Landships? *smacks forehead*

Centurion · Legend

Thanks folks

The web site I picked up the picture from stated that the gun had been captured by Canadian troops supporting British tanks so I put 2 and 2 together and made 4.5 (a good engineering approximation allowing plenty of safety factor). Although I guess that if you've got tanks coming straight at you you might tend to forget any long range counter battery shoots.

Roger Todd · Legend

Centurion wrote:

Although I guess that if you've got tanks coming straight at you you might tend to forget any long range counter battery shoots.

I would, I would be inclined to say, "I don't care, just bl**dy fire at the damn thing!"

On a more serious note, in the chapter on anti-tank guns, Jaeger mentions (in a section titled Autumn 1916 Until the Battle of Cambrai) that:

The APK also experimented with the shells of both 10cm Kanone and 15cm sFH, showing the 10cm cannon to penetrate the armour involved from up to 4,500m (13,500ft) and the 15cm field howitzer even at maximum range.

But which 10cm cannon is not specified, and that is the only mention of 10cm guns in this regard.

Peter Kempf · Field Marshal

At that time in the war, all probablity points towards that 10cm being the modern 10cm M14/17.

And for sure: if tanks appear, you shoot with what you got. (Heck, during my training in the Army, we were taught to use our heavy 155mm Howitzers against Soviet tanks. But in reality that would only in extreme situations. Normally your long range arty shouldn't be within reach of enemy AFV's.)

-- Edited by Peter Kempf at 07:32, 2006-07-23

Tonys · Field Marshal

Looks like one of the later models of the 10cm K 17.
The long barrel (45 calibres) gave it a range of 14,1 kms - fairly hefty for a 4"!
Tony

Pody · Lieutenant

Gentlemen!
The depicted photograph is a 105mm Kanone, Modell 1917.
cal. 105.2mm
weight in firing position 3200 kg
barrel length L45/ 4735mm
elevation -2� - +46�
side adjust: 6�
ammo type: HE , 18,75 kg gas-shells available with Blue-, Green-, Yellow-Cross
Vo = 650 m/sec
max. range 14100 m

Gun could be taken apart for transportation purpose into two payloads for being horse-drawn. 200 pieces made, after the Great war in Sweden and Romania

Best regards,

Pody