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James H


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Further to this: http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=13956105

I'm almost prepared to admit that the men on the top deck might, after all, be Scots in Glengarries.

The pic below is another B-Type that I now learn is carrying Indian troops of the Lahore Divison, presumably on their way to Neuve Chappelle.



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Oops!  I've just followed your link to the earlier posts and discovered, to my chagrin, that the Keilcraft B-Type is fore-shortened and too tall in the bonnet.
I was so upset that I referred, outloud, to our cat's missing bits.
I'm part-way through a build of a pigeon loft. The lower deck is kitted out with
work-tops, shelving and racking, drawers and cupboards and there is a typewriter, books and pencils on the desk. I was stalled as I haven't yet found suitable scale chicken-wire for the top deck. I think it will still have to be finished and installed in a diorama at an angle to disguise it's shortcomings.
I have another couple of kits in the pile. Next time I'll use one to produce masters for a lengthened version.
I suppose that's what you get from simply studying photos instead of scale drawings.
I aim to do better with a photo-etched model of the Canadian armoured Autocar. I have a copy of Cameron Pulsifer's booklet, which I recommend highly, but no details of the chassis and running gear. Does anyone know what the box-shaped object next to the driver's position is?
I've found very little on'tinternet, but on You tube there is a video of an Autocar flat-twin engine being bench run, complete with sound!
Best regards to all,
                           jellytwig.

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No, no, no. Stop.

There's an update here: http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=63528&p=3&topicID=14433478

The vehicle is too long. The side panel on the top deck is to scale, but the wheelbase is too long. It took me a while to realise that. Scans of Keil Kraft model and original plan are there for comparison. Sadly, the bonnet is too tall, and the stairs are a dog's dinner.

Would bits of tights do for chicken wire? It's suggested for the 1/32 version.

According to a French source, they had 400 mobile lofts by 11/11/1918. Don't know how many British. And, presumably, the Germans had some, but I've never seen any mention.

Can you post a pic of your 1/72 pencil? I'd like to see that.

See you on the X43.

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Does anyone know if there's any other options for a B type bus in 1/72 or 1/76? Or does the ex-Keilkraft kit have the monopoly?

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Hi Rob, as far as I'm aware its all there is and then the only way to get hold of one is usually by searching on ebay, its not a terrible kit but is very basic so would need a good deal of work to make it presentable........no interior for example....

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Knightwing reproduce the KeilKraft kits, although it looks like the B type is sold out at the moment

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/knightwing/list.htm#road

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Hi again, I would have mentioned knightwing but some time ago I tried ordering from them to no avail, my e-mails got no response .......

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Rob wrote:

Does anyone know if there's any other options for a B type bus in 1/72 or 1/76? Or does the ex-Keilkraft kit have the monopoly?


Lledo and Corgi do a die-cast B-Type, in civvy and Army finish respectively, if that's any use to you. The scale is certainly smaller than 1/72. I'd have said 1/87, but, believe it or not, this company make a replacement handrail & "modesty panel" for it in what they say is 1/76:
http://www.paragonkits.com/illustr/4a106-7.htm

The Corgi one was in a WWI set of B-Type, Mk IV, Sopwith Camel, and Fokker Triplane, but that now seems to have changed to Mk IV, Sopwith, Staff car, and Foden Steam Wagon in WD finish (see elsewhere on Landships)

The Corgi bus comes with a decent bit of factory-painted weathering/mud, but both have appalling tangerine seats on the upper deck. Again, both are based on the example in the London Transport Museum rather than on Old Bill in the IWM.

Ivor - if you haven't tried F&S Scale Models for details of Knightwing I'll see what they say.




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Hi James, not to worry I picked one up a kielkraft kit a while ago from ebay very cheap, so I'm set at the moment.... my only problem now is deciding what I'm going to do with it, I think it will probarbly be an early uncamoflaged version with "old contemtible" crew, as originally these buses arrived in france in their original bus company livery and for a while it seems operated that way, its interesting what you say about the Corgi/LIedo models might be worth a look....

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I've scaled the Corgi B-Type overall length, width, and length of upper deck, and it comes to between 1/79 & 1/81. Too small for 1/72, but you might get away with it in a diorama with the Matchbox/Revell FT17.

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Only one Omnibus Company went to France with the original Red LGOC livery. That was the 90th MT Coy ASC - later the 1st Auxiliary Omnibus Company but they were quickly painted in khaki by November 1914. The London Scottish were transferred on red London buses to Ypres on 29th October 1914. On the 30th they were carried by BLUE Daimler buses to St. Eloi in the Messines area of Belgium. All these buses had the original adverts on the sides and some even still had their destination boards.

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Ancient topic but playing around with flickrhivemind.net (another way to search Flikr) I came across this one: Moving up a division of Australian troops. Reninghelst. 2nd Division. From the description I would imagine this was 12 September 1917. Australian records talk of the AIF 2nd Division "marching" to Reninghelst that day. Haven't checked the AWM collection for a possible duplicate (and usually more narrative material) but a bit surprised that buses were being used in such numbers at that time - thought it was mostly earlier. Always something more to learn ...

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Rob wrote:

I'd imagine they were used throughout the war as they seemed to be very effective troop transport

Oooh, yes, from Oct 1914 till the Armistice and well beyond. A B-Type was amongst the first British vehicles to cross into Germany, carrying the Wireless Party of the 1st Cavalry Div. I haven't seen the photo of it, but the vehicle reportedly had the following painted on its window boarding by the homesick crew:

1914 Ypres

1915 Ypres, Neuve Chapelle, Loos

1916 Somme

1917 Ypres

1918 Cambrai

1919 Cologne

? London ?



-- Edited by James H on Saturday 9th of February 2013 01:29:36 PM

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Rob wrote:

As it's a Frank Hurley pic, it can't be any earlier than 1916 as he was stuck in Antarctica until then with the Shackleton expedition

 Yes, he was a glutton for punishment.  As said, I make it out to be (Wednesday) 12 September 1917 based on 2nd Div. movements in the area.

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Rob wrote:

I'd imagine they were used throughout the war as they seemed to be very effective troop transport

Oooh, yes, from Oct 1914 till the Armistice and well beyond. A B-Type was amongst the first British vehicles to cross into Germany, carrying the Wireless Party of the 1st Cavalry Div. I haven't seen the photo of it, but the vehicle reportedly had the following painted on its window boarding by the homesick crew:

1914 Ypres

1915 Ypres, Neuve Chapelle, Loos

1916 Somme

1917 Ypres

1918 Cambrai

1919 Cologne

? London ?



-- Edited by James H on Saturday 9th of February 2013 01:29:36 PM

Well, what a model that would make in a medium scale.  Can't find a picture offhand (but "hivemind" might find it), nearest I can find is "Ol' Bill" which has no doubt been tarted up considerably in this representation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59751885@N07/6401885133.  Thanks for the (continuing) education gents!smile



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I'd imagine they were used throughout the war as they seemed to be very effective troop transport, I've seen a couple of late war pics of them. I also have a book in which a Leicestershire Regiment man describes his unit moving locations in them

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As it's a Frank Hurley pic, it can't be any earlier than 1916 as he was stuck in Antarctica until then with the Shackleton expedition

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W^D models B type out this year.



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