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A bit modern maybe to be added there, but a real "landship"!

I eventually finshed to built the Accurate Armour A1E1. A very nice and well detailed kit ans a real pleasure to built.








If only prototypal, the tank saw modest service life during 1940 and I'm looking for a color scheme. AA indicate it was painted either deep bronze or medium green, but I remember I read somewhere it could have been finished in the light green/dark green scheme. I would be very happy to found more info. Regards Gilles(Lostiznaos)


-- Edited by lostiznaos on Saturday 16th of January 2010 05:37:00 PM

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I can't see anything

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Very sorry, correction done.
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Wow - a great Landship indeed

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lostiznaos wrote:

... I'm looking for a color scheme. AA indicate it was painted either deep bronze or medium green, but I remember I read somewhere it could have been finished in the light green/dark green scheme. I would be very happy to found more info. Regards Gilles(Lostiznaos)

Have you considered the images from the Bovington Tank Museum?

Here are several:

ClubSnap 2008 Bovington/34BOV.jpg
arthurwyatt.co.uk 34BOV.jpg

[added on edit:] View from rear quarter:

wikipedia Bovington_022_Independent_1.jpg

Close shots:

Tankfest%202008/independent-1.jpg
Tankfest%202008/Independent.jpg

(That certainly is a 'special' machine - love it!)

Alas, no sign of a two-tone green but I didn't look very far, the only coloured images encountered were of that one example (recorded at various times) in the museum.

-- Edited by Rectalgia on Sunday 17th of January 2010 05:37:00 AM

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Thanks a lot!
Thank you for the pics too. I went to Bovington some years ago and have taken some. I'm afraid my tank will retains the deep bronze green.
I'll begin the paint this week.
Regards!
Gilles(lostiznaos)

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Great looking model. Is it 1/35? Must be huge!

Was there only one made? If so, then the one at Bovington must be in the correct colours? smile

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Hi great looking model, this may help... it appears the original was a design failure bovington says it was rebuilt in 1928.... soo... what was different about the 1926 original?....

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Thanks Ironsides.
If I follow the Accurate Armour instructions, the tanks was fitted with a new gun in 1940. It is hard to imagine more extensive change were made at that time, none of the technical drawbacks should and could have been corrected.
I will eventually paint my model in deep bronze green and display it on a autumnal field.
The point will be to find good 1940 British tankers.

To answer Phil, it is 1/35, and really a big tank even not so big I supposed, around 22cm long and 8cm high.
Regards
Gilles(Lostiznaos)


-- Edited by lostiznaos on Monday 18th of January 2010 06:31:22 PM

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Looks great! I enjoy old / unique armor like that. Well done!

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Hello Gilles,
as always I look forward to see another excellent job from You.
Best regards, EDsmile

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Merci les! Thank you both!

I begin with the paint work and the first filters...
As the tank saw very few action, I will turn to a faded finish without too many damage. A+ Gilles(Lostiznaos)


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Impressive tank, I was looking at it this thursday, I took some photos of the markings incase they are of use.

Great model.

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Tank you very much.
The model is quite finished now, but unfortunately the weather is too bad to have pics.
As the tank have seen very short if any operational life, I eventually turn to a dusty and dirty finish on rather new paint.
I don't know the Tank corps flag was carried on the turret at that time or painted later.
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I consider the model eventually finished. My idea is to have a rather dusty but quite new tank without rust or damage. This kit was a great pleasure to built, I havn't enjoy a model like this one for a while, a last until I finished the Rolls Royce, and I dream to display it waiting on the Dorset coast, along with some Beaverette... "They are NOT coming!" A+ Gilles(Lostiznaos)

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lostiznaos wrote:

I consider the model eventually finished. My idea is to have a rather dusty but quite new tank without rust or damage....

This kit was a great pleasure to built, I havn't enjoy a model like this one for a while, a last until I finished the Rolls Royce, and I dream to display it waiting on the Dorset coast, along with some Beaverette... "They are NOT coming!" A+ Gilles(Lostiznaos)



Congratulations, I love that tank, I love your model.  And I love the scenario you describe - but I think maybe that would be entirely imaginary (but quite feasible). Beaverbrook would be "as pleased as Punch", but not, I think, Brooke.

Gen. Alan Brooke was appointed Commander-in-Chief of Home Forces, 19 July 1940, relieving Gen. "Tiny" Ironside. On August 10th he was advised that three regiments of tanks were to be allocated to General Wavell for the defence of the Nile Valley.  He later wrote:

This does not seem much when considered from the point of view of the later years of the war, but in those early days even this small contribution constituted a large proportion of the total of my armoured forces. To make matters worse Beaverbrook, who was Minister of Aircraft Production, began to form an army of his own to protect aircraft factories in the event of invasion. He acquired a large proportion of armour plating for the production of small armoured cars called "Beaverettes," with which he equipped Home Guard personnel of factories for their protection. This was at a time when I was shouting for every armoured vehicle I could lay my hands on with which to equip Regular forces. The whole conception was fantastic. How could individual factories have held out, and what part could they have played once the main battle for this country was lost? (quoted in "The Turn of the Tide 1939-1943" by Arthur Bryant, 1957).

Now the General have have gone off half-cocked on at least one point.  Some say the Mk I Beaverette armour used mild steel - 11mm of steel, with 3 inch thick oak planks for rear protection (not 11mm steel backed by 3" oak as some references say, surely? But maybe) - .  Mk II extended the steel all around and it was not until the Mk III that actual hardened armour plate was used.  Production dates (all marks I to IV) were 1940 (after June) through to 1942 so I think Gen. Brooke's timescale just might have been foreshortened when he retrospectively complains about competition for armour plate in 1940.  And certainly Beaverbrook had good cause to worry about "German parachutists" leapfrogging the over-extended defences (a recurrent nightmare for civilians and the Home Guard, apparently), at least until after the Battle of Britain.  Everyone knew the capabilities of the Fallschirmjäger after their success in the Netherlands in May 1940.

But, if "Operation Sea Lion" (Unternehmen Seelöwe) had proceeded in 1940 as planned it seems likely Brooke would have had no option but to prise Beaverbrook's Beaverettes away from purely factory defence - plugging the (immense) gaps in coastal defences or for use in mobile reserve duty and to fend off supposed feint attacks would all seem very likely.

 



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Thanks a lot for your comment...
I agree with you about the beaverettes and I don't think such old experimental designs like the A1E1 could have any combat value if needed. The Idea was to depict how dramatic was the summer 40 situation.
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lostiznaos wrote:

...The Idea was to depict how dramatic was the summer 40 situation.




Yes, I think it is perfect for that. And beyond summer too - the British did not know "Sea Lion" was "postponed" on 12 October - the Germans took care that they didn't learn and spread misinformation as well. As late as 24 October Commander-in-Chief Brooke still considered invasion a serious possibility (in his personal diary). And the night-time bombing of London continued unabated until 11 November, giving no hint until then of any change of plans (though by then the weather was most unfavourable as well).

As said, I love it. The lonely A1E1, a pathetic huddle of Beaverettes, the defiant sign ... it is poetry in a way, certainly greater than the sum of its parts.

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