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James H


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Just collected them. Very nicely engineered. 133 pieces to make 41 figures and machine gun. The mg alone is 5 pieces and the gunner 3, and the result is excellent. Almost all the men have separate arms and optional packs.

Which means a great deal of gluing is required. Anyone know if they take ordinary poly or is it a superglue job?

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Sorft plastic doesn't take polycement. You'll have to get superglue. I recomment LocTite.
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-- Edited by Hughbearson on Sunday 3rd of October 2010 03:27:31 PM

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Some soft plastics are gluable with ordinary poly cement, and some are not. You could try trial and error. Or try the latest 'all plastics' superglues, some of which come in gel form so they don't stick fingers and they fill small gaps.

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As I don't have those figures, I cannot know what plastic they are made from, but what I can recommend is this Loctite glue:
http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/models/tools.html
It glues even Airfix soft plastic figures from the 1960s.

As we're at it: How do the Zvezda figures scale out, how do they mix with the venerable Airfix set?

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No... You're going to say that they are 25mm/1.87m high? *Worries* :O

-- Edited by Hughbearson on Sunday 3rd of October 2010 06:50:17 PM

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Ta for advice, citizens.

They are a bit on the big side. Officer measures 28mm from bottom of base to top of spike. Some of the bigger Airfix and Revell can get away with it, the HaT and Emhar less so.

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WWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well...

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Have had a dry fit of the machine-gun. Very, very fiddly but the outcome is pleasing. As you'll see from the enclosed pic (which is the best my cheap camera can manage) the end result leaves the gunner's hands that tantalising millimetre away from the gun.

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About the size, that's exactly what I did not want to hear steaming.gif but thank you for the information and tsk tsk Zvezda.

Will need to do a side-by-side comparison with the Airfix figures before deciding whether to buy the Zvezda or not.

The MG looks promising. If we use our own bases, the gunner might even touch his weapon.

-- Edited by Pat on Tuesday 5th of October 2010 02:48:55 PM

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When I begin on my Tannenburg diorama (That is a PROMISE), I will use Zvezda figures at the front - closest, and HaT/Airfix figures in the centre.

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After a good deal of jiggerypokery with Fireworks, here's a comparison. Not perfect, but I hope it will do. Zvezda on left, the rest you'll recognise. The curious thing is that the discrepancy seems worse from some angles and not as bad from others.

The HäT Line man is a little over 28mm from bottom of base to top of spike, the Zvezda a shade over 29. The Jäger is 27.

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That is very unfortunate. I will hesitate to buy any of the Zvezda sets before doing more comparisons.

I will probably buy their WW1 Russians neverthesless since alternatives are thin on the ground, even counting the Red Box "Boxer Rebellion" russians.

Many thanks for taking your time to compile the collage.

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Thanks James for the photo. Looking at the comparison I will probably be an optimist and wait until HaT heavy weapons set comes along for early German WW1 - assuming that they get their act together and start manufacturing some of their prototypes!

lets hope their next years output is not so biased towards the Napoloenics.

The only napoleonic set I will buy is when they get down  to Prussians troops (and the whole range of minor German states) scratching their bottoms or eating sausage etc - and these cannot be long as they do seem to be scraping the barrel for new  German nappy sets! 
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They're becoming very Arabic,/,Moorish in recent releases. Come on, who wants to buy Hadendowa Camelry from the early middle ages... ...Compared to those who want WWI sets?!
P.S, maybe I'm being very harsh on them, since they are releasing WWI Belgians and field accesories next year.

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Pat wrote:
Many thanks for taking your time to compile the collage.

You're very welcome, Pat. It's not a collage - the figures were photographed "as is". I just took away the background and shadows, and sharpened the detail, because my camera isn't as good as I hoped it would be.



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Hi James thanks for the comparison it doesnt look to bad to me certainly Ive seen bigger differences in ww1 pics, I think the Zvezda head is perhaps a little large... in any case will add a box of these to my overflowing german ranks for a bit of diversity...

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PSR seem to have run into the same problem mating the gunner to his gun.
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/FirstLook.aspx?id=1854

Their measurement is an average of 25mm. That would be as tall as the (expertly sculpted) Revell German WW2 Artillery figures, which unfortunately is too tall for my taste. Regards, Pat

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Their measurement is an average of 25mm.

Blimey. I'm surprised at that. Even from the soles of his feet I get the marching Zvezda figure at 28mm. And he dwarfs the HäT Austrian marching figure, which is much shorter and slighter.

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Perhaps that is because your measurement included the spike and theirs did not?

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Another modeller's try:
http://yori-hobby.blogspot.com/2010/10/imperial-german-hmg.html

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I notice he has replaced the head on the Landwehr(?) figure. I think that's probably the right thing to do.

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It's comforting to note that such variations of scale exist in the real world. These are Belgian Fortress Artillery, for which the minimum height requirement was 5'6". Assuming the regulation was enforced, the man on the left must have been quite an item. Minimum height for the Line was only 5'0"..

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I've just noticed something. Leaving aside the officer, drummer, and MG crew, two thirds of the Zvezda figures have the 1895 ammunition pouches and the rest the 1909. That makes the majority Reserve or Landwehr. Is that an accurate reflection?

-- Edited by James H on Monday 25th of October 2010 10:46:13 PM

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Photos now up on PSR!
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/FirstLook.aspx?id=1854

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PSR also listed them as normal size too.
As long as I'm talking about size, 28mm Miniatures, do they fit? John at Revirsico said theres not much difference, is he right?

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Hi Josh I guess it all depends on the manufacturer but 28mm figures are usaully measured to the eyes this makes them much bigger, scales vary but around 1/56-1/64 scale...  you can pretty much call all the newer 28mm nominal size as really 30-32mm that combined with the generally chunkeir style makes them incompatable, there are however a number of 20mm metal manufacturers (PDA has done a list) and these will probarbly work size wise, as again 20mm is generally to the eyes best to get some samples first though... IT, Irregular, Jacklex etc
Revirescos figures may be true 28mm though but still I think large...

http://www.spencersmithminiatures.co.uk/html/world_war_one.html

http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/

http://www.itminiatures.com/

and of course the superb WD models

http://wdmodels.com/index.htm

Hope this helps

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I Have IT miniatures book marked, as I plan to purchase from them. any one hear of Renegade Miniatures? they've got some great looking pieces but I 'm hesitant because I'm not sure they'd mix well with the men of the 10th, so that's why I asked.

Greetings, Josh

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Renegade are 28mm nominal size as well with all the same size issues....

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So that would make them a bit large according to our standards then?

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I suppose I wouldn't have to order from Renegade Miniatures since the appearance of that new Strelets set Amazing!

Currently, I'm bringing my Korps up to full strength, I was pouring over some organization charts, and realized I needed 4 more sets of infantry: I was missing a WHOLE SECOND DIVISION!!
DONNERWETTER!

Greetings, Josh

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Hi Josh if you take 28mm as being the nominal figure height and you want to use them with 1/72 scale, then these would be equivalent too 2.016m tall (28x72) or 6 Feet 7.37 Inches.... rather too big on average and thats if they are true 28mm figures rather then 28mm to the eyes...

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I figure I don't need to take risks on getting something that is just too big and having spent alot of money to get it, when there are 2-3 perfectly fine 1/72 sets now being fielded that from what I've seen are more than a match against anything from Renegade, but figure an email always helps. "Seek and ye shall find" they say.

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P.S When are the new Strelets sets supposed to hit the market? I'm looking to beef up my stosstrupp detachment.

Greetings, Josh

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Usually Strelets are pretty quick once the masters are up and test sprues have been shown, that said I asked about the Britsih cavalry several times and recieved a positive should be later this year type of reply..... that was years ago no

Who Knows... but I expect fairly soon 

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