Landships II

FR73 · General

German Airforce Vehicles

d_fernetti · Hero

Surely you'll need a few tenders (the Daimler Marienfelde from Revisresco comes to mind) and also a few staff cars and probably a mobile dark room to develop the plates that might be taken from the baloon. Other than that, I'd add several bicycles, a couple of motorcycles with dispatch riders, a few mounted messengers, etc. As far as I could see in pictures, every balloon had quite a crowd attending it!

FR73 · General

How would I come up with the Bussig-NAG winch truck seen in alot of pics with balloons?

Greetings, Josh

28juni14 · Hero

Josh,� Bussing-NAG wench truck ?�� Please post some pics.

d_fernetti · Hero

A wench truck? That sounds quite interesting! every army should have one!

FR73 · General

Have you read the Osprey book German Air Forces 1914-18?

There is a pic of it there.
I'll see if I can upload one later, but it's a start

Greetings, Josh

FR73 · General

After reading that little section, my mistake, it's a Daimler not a Bussing. The section on Winch vehicles reads "The importance of the role played by balloons in artillery spotting was noticed at Verdun by the French who take special measures against them using aircraft armed with incendiary rockets. There increased size and height meant that man or even horse powered Winches could no longer lower them quickly safely to the ground particulary when they were under attack, and so motor Winches were introduced." p.30 German Air Forces 1914-18 Ian Sumner

Regards, Josh.

FR73 · General

Anyways according to the book, a Balloon section consited of the following:

-1 balloon
-4 observer officers
-177 enlisted air service troops
-123 horses
-12 gas wagons
-2 equipment wagons
-1 winch wagon
-1 telephone wagon

A reserve column contained 12 more gas wagons and 1 equipment wagon.

If anyone knows of pics of any of these above wagons mentioned, please post and let me know. I just know of the Daimler winch vehicle, but as of yet have no idea how to model it. I am very much interested in Mr. Fernetti's idea on a mobile dark room, any pics?

I remember seeing an old thread here about balloons and some support vehicles MGM was supposed to be coming out with. Anyone else see this?

Warmest regards, Josh

28juni14 · Hero

Josh,

there were no less than 4 different winch( windewagen ) manufacturers� which all resembled one another cosmetically.� Composed of an articulated �gasoline powered cable�winch and a limber( protze ).�� Only the early cylindrical balloons were brought down by horse power( a cumbersome block and tackle exercise requiring a large tree for anchorage).��
I have a large file on both balloon types employed during the war, along with most of the supplemental support equipment.�� What exactly do you need to know ?�
� I might add the German use of a�lorry winch appeared only late in the war, and the TOE list you've shown is pre-war as it lacks the� BAK pieces that became organic after 1914.

FR73 · General

All your information is useful and welcome.

Greetings, Josh.

FR73 · General

I am however seeking specific info and pics on Gas wagons, Fuel trucks, any one of the four winch wagons mentioned, and info/pics of a "Mobile Dark Room".

Currently, I have the following models:
-MGM BAK wagon
-Revirsicos Mercedes staff car
-Dark Dream Studios Pilots set

My Aircraft models:
- Roden Gotha G.IV
-Revell Fokker E.III
-RevellFokker D.VII
-Revell Fokker Dr.I
-Choroszy Albatross C.I
-Airfix Hannover C.III
-Roseplane Drachen

On the purchasing side of things I plan for some bicycles and a Revirsico Daimler painted in airforce scheme light grey.

On the side Burner I have Soviet 8.5cm Flak I am backdating into a German 90mm AA.
I am interested in any info on Imperial navy 37mm quick firers, I am working to get hold of a Resin WW2 Flak searchlight and would need info/pics with which to backdate it. I've produced a promising little AA Machine gun using some steel wire and a left over white metal MG'08.

Regards, Josh

28juni14 · Hero

Josh,

Send your mailing address to me off site and I'll try to help ;� jmueller@htc.net/

FR73 · General

Did you get the email? it wouldn't let me send it with the / at the end, so I sent it without it. Let me know if you got the email.

FR73 · General

Oh, also did any Fuel trucks for planes exist then?

Regards, Josh

d_fernetti · Hero

Yes, at least there's a Mack fuel tanker kit out there. However, I've never seen a German fuel bowser. Obviously, that doesn't mean they didn't exist! What I've seen are lots of fuel drums on German airfield pictures. They differed little from the regular WW2 to nowadays model, perhaps the "ribs" were a bit wider and rounded, but I think that they contained the exact same amount of liquid inside.

d_fernetti · Hero

Here's something, that more or less might have been used during WW1 by all warring armies.

d_fernetti · Hero

...and here's a photo developing van.� The German model mustn't have differed much from this.

28juni14 · Hero

Yes, Josh,� Email rec'd.

I've got some hunting to do, but thus far I've found my sketches for both the 3,7cm�RevK and 3,7cm MaschFlak, plus a couple sketches of gondola details.� I also did the Telefonwagen,� Windewagen,� and a few other items that remain un-located as of now.�� I can send what I have or wait until my searching uncovers the rest.

FR73 · General

Wait till you have everything, then send it smile

Also, for the tanker, I suppose would Daimler� have made a fuel truck?
and for the developing van, what kind� of wheels would you suppose? I figure I could order plastic card and craft a box and bed for it.

Greetings, Josh

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d_fernetti · Hero

You can suppose they may have done it.
The wheels of trailers and vans were generally of the spoked artillery type. Probably the frame size of these vans were somewhat standard in the Army, you have to compare with other ancillary equipment regarding to sizes and such.
D.

FR73 · General

I'll research to see if Daimler came out with them.

Oh, tiny bit off topic I asked about this awhile back and nobody seemed to know what I was asking about, and I just noticed a thread on MG carts today, and am VERY interested in obtaining info on German MG carts, epecially their employment with the Kavallerie.

Greetings, Josh

FR73 · General

Did not find any leads to fuel vehicles built by Daimler. any other leads on the "fuel crisis"?

But if it helps, that pic posted earlier of that fuel wagon, Is there such thing available in 1/72?

Greetings, Josh

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FR73 · General

Are there any pictures of these "oil drums".

Greetings, Josh

FR73 · General

did a search for WWI German airfield hoping to spot some of the above mentioned fuel drums. didn't find anything. anything or anywhere else you may have looked D? also that horse drawn fuel bowser, is it available in 1/72?

Regards, Josh

d_fernetti · Hero

Here�s something that might interest you given you plan to build a diorama around a Drachen:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1914/1914%20-%201131.html

Wish the pictures were more clear... and with 3 views as well!!!
D.

Rectalgia · Legend

That contains an excellent account of the systems for the stability of those "kite balloons". I had no idea about those aspects before. And an interesting picture on the next page of one being prepared on board a ship. Not a lot of room for much else on deck. A very interesting find.

Ironsides · Legend

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English language Book 1917 on the drachen and others based on ww1 german army observation balloon manual ...

http://www.archive.org/details/militaryobserva01widmgoog

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Cheers wink

Rectalgia · Legend

Well that certainly is comprehensive - thanks Ivor.

FR73 · General

Well, I've been working along with 28juni14 to put together admirable scratchbuilds. His sketches are very clear in detail. I've already got my Drachen painted/decaled/varnished. just working on the rigging now. Ordering a few limbers/caissons to do some interesting conversions including a winch wagon much like, wait, exactly like the picture. According to my sketches I received over the past 2+ months from 28juni14, the Germans actually used three variants of the winch wagon. the one I'll build is an Wndewagen A.a, (Older model,) there is also a N.a New model appearing about the same time as the AE balloon, according to the sketches. (And that Balloon book is VERY informative!)

Oh, here are some pics of my beauty. (The rigging is still being worked on)

And from 28juni14's sketches this up and coming Maschinenflak 14, 3.7cm quick firer.

How do you guys like the new digi camera?

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Greetings, Josh

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