Landships II

Pat · Commander in Chief

Japanese / Tsarist 28 cm gun: kit in 1/72

PDA · Legend

Wow! Now that is a big gun!

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10142976a/20/1

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CharlieC · Legend

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The Japanese 28cm gun was a Krupp design built under licence. Unusally for a Krupp design it had a screw breech rather than a sliding wedge breech.

The Italians also built a similar gun under licence.

Regards,

Charlie

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Ironsides · Legend

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Hi All, I refer you to Roger Todds article which has some details on the origins of the 28cm Howitzer:

http://www.landships.info/landships/artillery_articles.html?load=artillery_articles/28cm_howitzer.html

one of the relevant books can be found here the Howitzer, carriage and Ammo is mentioned from pg 43:

http://www.archive.org/details/militaryindustri00kobauoft

"In April, 17 Meiji (1884), Italian Artillery Major Pompeio
Grillo was engaged as a teacher in gun making.
In June, in the Osaka Arsenal the trial making of 19 cm.
and 24 cm. long cannons and 28 cm. howitzers was started.
In September, Antonio Fornelis, an Italian engineer and
Giacomo Hisso, an assistant engineer, were engaged."

If any one has a PDF copy of the Brassys 1892�or at least the relevant section I would be most interested

A good account can be found with many reference to the use of the 11" howitzers including observation for fall of shot�by balloon:

Cassell's history of the Russo-Japanese war Vol II(1904)

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924011912379

Image of a later Italian 11 inch howitzer with interupted screw breech from Brasseys 1891 pg 306 the text mentions an earlier version, 4 men were needed for loading.�

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Papertiger59 · Sergeant

Just pre-ordered one !

Rectalgia · Legend

Ironsides wrote:
�...Image of a later Italian 11 inch howitzer with interupted screw breech from Brasseys 1891 pg 306 the text mentions an earlier version, 4 men were needed for loading.�

Unless there was a Corporal Seyit or two around.� Anyone who has manhandled 200 litre (44 imp gal, 55 US gal) drums of water, fuel or oil around knows what a 180-210 kg load feels like.� Now pile a 3 bushel bag of oats on top, pick the whole lot up off the ground and carry it up steps.

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Capitan Print · Captain

CharlieC wrote:
The Japanese 28cm gun was a Krupp design built under licence. Unusally for a Krupp design it had a screw breech rather than a sliding wedge breech.
The Italians also built a similar gun under licence.
Regards,
Charlie

But still, what was the origin of 28-cm japanese L/10 heavy howitzer? Krupp or W.G. Armstrong? Even in Wikipedia in different languages we haven't any identity!

In English, German & Japanese Wiki we have Krupp origin, but in Italian - Armstrong!

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obice_280_mm

On wich side one can see the truth?

-- Edited by Capitan Print on Saturday 28th of March 2015 05:30:08 PM

CharlieC · Legend

Believing Wikipedia in any language is a problematic thing.

Kosar in his book - "Artillerie im 20. Jahrhundert" notes that (as best I can translate from the original German)

"Originally supplied by Krupp. Japan bought guns from Italy, also built these guns at Arisaka / Arsenal Osaka and sold some during the First World War to Russia"

Regards,

Charlie

Capitan Print · Captain

Well! But Wikipedia in the three languages tells about the Krupp's origin of the gun also! And I don't believe in it!)))
So, Mr. Todd is unright here in his article on the gun?
And how do you explain the screw breech in the Italian and Japanese 28-cm howitzers? They couldn't make the siliding wedge breeches by Krupp pattern?
Even in Russia Krupp technology of that type of breeches was introduced in artillery industry.
And there were Russian 11" heavy mortars M1877 with wedge breeches - they can be considered as a clones of the Krupp's guns! Why Krupp had to make such a special guns for Italy?

-- Edited by Capitan Print on Saturday 28th of March 2015 04:36:34 PM

Capitan Print · Captain

Russian 11" fortress mortar M1877 in the City of Vladivostok. it's a Krupp design.

http://www.oldvladivostok.ru/photo/?id=4571&category=137&a=1&p=10

-- Edited by Capitan Print on Saturday 28th of March 2015 05:19:29 PM

Capitan Print · Captain

German Krupp's 28-cm howitzer L/12

I don't see any similarity in these Krupp's guns with the Italian/Japanese ones!

-- Edited by Capitan Print on Saturday 28th of March 2015 05:40:05 PM