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In Lombok indonesia there are 2 types of 6" or 15cm antisubmarine gun batteries from WWII. I have fotos and would much appreciate any help regrding their origin. Ihave fotos but am unsure how to submit them.  David Clegg  23 May 2011 Lombok



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Do you mean these guns? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqZto0wGvq0

The subtitles on the video said the guns were German built in 1902 - they could have been guns captured in Tsingtao in 1914 or purchased before WW1. From the brief images in the video they look like 15cm guns.

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Thank for your help, have already seen one of the gns and have seen both U tube videos. There were batteries at the SE and SW corners of Lombok.  Will checkon the chinese connection. Many thanks David Clegg



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Could also be captured ex-KNIL guns brought from elsewhere in the NEI by the IJA.

Certain is KNIL did not have coastal arty on Lombok before 1942.



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Very interesting!

Yes, Tsingtao had 7 15cm coastal artillery guns in 1914 according to this site:
http://www.feldgrau.com/articles.php?ID=11

But they might also have been captured somewhere else in the Dutch East Indies....Krupp 15cm guns were widely in use with the Dutch Navy and KNIL.



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I recently returned from Lombok Island. I saw a cannon on the west side of Lombok. photos attached. The barrel was inscribed - Fried Krumpp - Essen, 1901- 3.  There was a cave immediatly behind the gun - I presume for living quarters. 8193



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ok I am posting some pic's of the canon on the west side of Lombok. Hopefully one of you out there can tell me where I can find more info on this gun. According to the locals it was placed here by the japanese with forced labor. I would like to find out the history of this gun. These pictures show numbers - names - and dates stamped on the gun. Please reply if you can guide me in my endeavor. Thank's



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The gun looks like a 15cm SK L/40 naval gun. These were in widespread use as secondary guns on German capital ships and the main armament of smaller ships.

There are images of this type of gun at: http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/P05338.009 on the WW1 raider SMS Wolf.

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It does appear to be on a turret. I thought it might be from a ship. Any hints on how / where I would look to get its history. I have no clue what the meaning of the letters/numbers on the 3rd picture indicate. My e-mail is Grnstogo@aol.com If anyone can assist me it would be appreciated.

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-- Edited by lancecotto on Saturday 21st of July 2012 04:28:28 PM

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Your middle photo shows the manufacturer's name on the top of the breech. Do you happen to have a photo of the bottom of the breech? That is where the gun's number would be, and it would be a big help in finding out some more of this gun's history. I have no clue myself, but there are some very knowledgeable people here who can use the gun's number.



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The gun number is above the "Fried Krupp" line - it's fairly faint but looks like a 3 or 4 digit number - I can see a couple of "4"s in the number I think.

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Charlie

 



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the number apears to be - No. 3. - thats all I can see. The turret is visible in the lower right of pic 4. The other group of numbers is located under the boys arm in pic 1. the number on pic 2 is on the right side mount swivel.

I will get additionad pictures from my son who was with me at the time and has a better camera.

thanks for your response

lance



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The turret looks like a naval mounting without the roof - known as "schirmlafette" - I'd guess there is a geared traverse ring buried underneath the gun.

Where it came from is going to be difficult to determine since these guns were in service with both Russian and Chinese forces. Suggest running it past the guys over at the Axishistory forum (http://forum.axishistory.com/) - there is a section on Japanese forces.

Regards,

Charlie



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thanks Charlie I will check with them.



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This report (http://www.scribd.com/doc/19328204/Report-Weapons-Singapore-Java) is a translation of a Japanese report on

captured weapons in Singapore and Java in 1942. The Dutch forts had 15cm Krupp guns, noted as 1902 manufacture.

Looks like a likely source for the guns on Lombok.

Regards,

Charlie



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