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I think this is an LGOC B Type with a Vickers 3pdr. But now I'm not so sure that the LGOC wasn't a Daimler. How far off am I?



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IIRC, this must be a B-Type because it's got a B number. Can't remember exactly how it worked, and can't put my hand on Roy Larkin's excellent book at the mo, but I think AEC was the manufacturing wing of LGOC, and LGOC took the bulk of their output. So-called Daimlers, which all had a D prefix, were simply B-Types by another name, still manufactured by AEC, nothing to do with the German Daimler company, and sold to LGOC's competitors (Metropolitan, etc) as products of the British Daimler company. For a reason I can't remember, this was considered sound business practice. It's a complicated tale - I think British Daimler broke away from the parent company but carried on using the name. That's more or less it. If it's got a B on its bonnet, it's a B-Type.

 

 



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Vickers 3 pdr was a replacement for the Hotchkiss 3 pdr, being a more powerful gun and better suited to this role
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This is brilliant,has any one got more info on the gun. Scale drawings anything.

The reason for this "frency" is that I am getting the AEC chassis cast up in January (see attatchment) for the GS lorry and the B type bus. I can now add the A/A gun as well.

Nice one Phil !!!!!!!!!!!



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Are you sure it's a 3 Pounder gun? - the barrel looks to be about 2m long, makes me think it might be a 6 Pounder (57mm).

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I'm fairly sure (not 100% but close) it's a 3pdr. It seems to be one of the lorries made up for Samson's mob, even though this photo was probably taken in England. They didn't use any 6pdr, the heaviest they went was 3pdr, if I've got my facts straight. To me it looks like a good match for other photos of Vickers 3pdrs I've seen.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_3pounder_V_mk1.htm

The photo at the start of this post is from America's Library of Congress (they state quite clearly that there is no copyright), and my understanding comes from The Devil's Chariots by Glanfield which I am currently re-reading, and I think there is something in War Cars by Fletcher, which I haven't read for some months.



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Been searching the net and found these for discussion only
http://cs11304.vkontakte.ru/u16600561/110370166/y_68f18da6.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NekPRBwPabM/T3HriZZkPbI/AAAAAAAAA88/BNSyHaC2UQA/s1600/3-pdr-Gun-Carrier-Lorry-RNAS.jpg



-- Edited by Paul Bonnett on Monday 17th of December 2012 02:37:48 AM

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According to Robbins & Atkinson, B2791 was orginally registered LH8241 and after war service was repurchased in 1919 whereupon it was returned to bus service and allocated to the East Surrey fleet.

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Hello,

This one has some interesting simularities:

German_WWI_armoured_car_destroyed.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:German_WWI_armoured_car_destroyed.jpg

The number on the bonnet looks British to me, despite Wikipedia's file name for the image.

 

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... and what appears to be the sorry end of a damaged 18 Pdr draped over the lorry side .  Looks like an Oiler box on the end of the recoil tube, does it not ?



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Despite the amusing caption by wikipedia, I'd say that MarkV's picture is a Thornycroft with a 13 pounder 9 cwt. But I am neither a lorry nor artillery buff. (But you knew that already.)



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Definitely Thornycroft J Type with 13 pdr 9 cwt on the back, as per the WD Models kit and Imperial War Museum Duxford preserved example. The gun on the B type Lorry looks like a 3 pounder to me, it has the characteristic cylinder on each side near the gun shield which is also present on the 3 pounders on field carriages sometimes seen towed by Rolls Royce armoured cars (at least one made it to the western front)

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Vickers 3pdr barrel was between 8 & 9 ft. - sources not available at the moment to confirm it, but think it was 8'6" or 8'8"



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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:German_WWI_armoured_car_destroyed.jpg

 

Good grief.



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In wikipedia's defence, that is how it is captioned on the Library of Congress site: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2005697190/



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