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Hi All,

I am looking for infos about a very crazy project entitled "Kaiser Mobile fortress", a kind of huge steam powered upgunned fortress covered with pikes design from the end of 19th century.

I think that a model was displayed at Bovington, along with others showing the evolution of the tank, many years ago.  Although this monster was never built, I would like to find drawings and dimensions of it as it could be a great scratchbuilt project.

Thanks for the info !

All the Best,

Marienwagen

 

 

 



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The drawing is scanned from Tank (1970) by Kenneth Macksey and John Batchelor. The text says it was supposed to have been steam-powered. The model is the one at Bovington, scanned from a photo I took in 1990. I have no information about dimensions, armament etc. I think to call it a 'project' is pushing it - more like a fanciful and idle doodle by the Kaiser, much like the fanciful sketches he also drew of 'ideal warships'.



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Not even Darkroastedblend has managed to index it (Mendeleev's Super Heavy Tank, 1911 comes closest, I suppose), nor are there any Google hits for Kriegsstellingszerstörer (a perfectly good composite noun, I would have thought). A real rarity.

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Looks like a steam-punk version of a tram.

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 nor are there any Google hits for Kriegsstellingszerstörer (a perfectly good composite noun, I would have thought).


I think that should be "Stellung" - a "war-position (emplacement) destroyer".

And please, no mentions of steampunk here. Leave that to Andy Dingley.



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Ah, thanks James. Several hits for Kriegsstellung and Zerstörer but not put together in that splendid construction, so no help to this particular inquiry.

Andy Dingley? - "Special Effects: Dr. Psycho's Chamber of Sadism 1: Sado-Nurses in Heat." I'm warming (as it were) to the man already and had never heard of him before. Danke schön.

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Rectalgia wrote:

Andy Dingley? - "Special Effects: Dr. Psycho's Chamber of Sadism 1: Sado-Nurses in Heat."


Unfortunately not. The other one, who comes up on Google much more. Dreadful, dreadful man. Worth a surf. Not so much Sado as Saddo.



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Ah, an infinity of Andy Dingleys perhaps, and I looked at the wrong one - a tyro's error.

Infinity makes my brain hurt - it must be essentially indivisible (half of infinity is still infinity else the fraction has number - so then would the whole - which defies the definition). The ramifications are boundless but include an infinite number of the complete works of Shakespeare, produced every instant, by those d*mned monkeys, similarly an infinite number of copies misplacing but a single punctuation mark at a specific location, plus infinite numbers of every other possible permutation of the 5,721,664 characters, spaces and marks of the Concordance edition and, as a bonus, all repeated for every other edition. And infinite numbers of "near misses" omitting just one or a few characters. Not to mention all of Barbara Cartland's novels (sans pink covers). And every other writer, past, present or future, published or unpublished. And utter gobbledegook, also in infinite quantity, each and every instant.

Somewhere in that lot is everything Marienwagen wants to know about the "Kaiser Steam Mobile fortress". But lacking all those monkeys ... perhaps one of the Andy Dingleys. Or the internet, somewhere. But I can't find it. Now I need a Bex, a nice cuppa and a good lie down.

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Hi Roger,

Many Thanks for the pictures !

As this vehicle is listed as "steam driven Pullman car" it has probably the same dimensions as a tramway...  If I knew the type of guns used by germans at the time, it would be possible to have an idea of dimensions with a barrel lenght as a reference.

I like the glass (it look like this) roof on the top of the fortress (probably for giving light inside).  This model is also said to be inspired by the one displayed inside the Cairo museum (I have never seen this museum ; it will probably worth a visit during a trip in Egypt !).

I have visited Bovington museum in 2009, but with the exception of a large Da Vinci tank model at the entrance, I don't have seen the other models...  Have you photographed the other models displayed there ?  I am very interested and it would be nice to displayed these on the site as a history of the tank trough ages.

All the Best,

Marienwagen

 

 

 

 



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Glad I could help! Unfortunately, I only photographed a few of the models, mainly of subjects which, at the time, I hadn't seen anywhere else (or if I had, not very clearly). There were many models which charted the pre-history of AFVs as well, so they took you from ancient carriages through mediaeval siege-towers, Da Vinci's design, Indian war elephants(!), various paper schemes, nineteenth century tractors and on to early twentieth century vehicles, such as the Simms War Car, and unbuilt machines such as the Flying Elephant (it's what sparked my interest in that machine). I've attached all the models I photographed; you can see in some of them other models which I failed to photograph. All were built by a Mr J P Pickering Esq. I've not been to Bovington for some years so I don't know if the models are still on display. If they are no longer on display I would consider that a great shame.



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On the subject of the Cairo Museum, I've attached the full page from Tank from which I extracted the drawing of the Kaiser's concept. You can see two other vehicles, the Cowen Battle Car on the right and a vehicle on the left referred to in the text merely as 'an American 2-gun battle vehicle'. Both of these photographs are of models in the Cairo Museum.



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Hi Roger,

Many Thanks for the pictures ! It is a pity that these models are no more displayed today (perhaps that these will be displayed again as they have renewed the museum).

Do you know what is the white armoured wagon below the Foster tractor ?

I have the book "Tank" from Mister Batchelor (a good refence about the history of the tank), note that a book covered "prehistorical" designs of tanks doesn't exist unfortunately ; I will be very happy to see something on that subject !

All the Best,

Marienwagen

 



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I suspect it's one of the mediaeval covered wagons.

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As it happens, and if all goes well, I shall be at Bov next week and shall enquire about the models.



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Top banana.

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