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James H


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Just stumbled across it tonight. It's on iPlayer here (if available where you are): http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b037w3bj/Churchills_First_World_War/

Don't need to tell you what I was looking for. Quite a bit of the story was touched on - Antwerp, armoured cars, pedrail truck, etc. No mention of Landships Committee specifically IIRC, but the impression was given that C continued to champion the Tank, whatever else he might have been doing. And, of course, the usual inappropriate footage of Tanks (Mk Is to accompany sections on Cambrai and Amiens, etc and clips from post-war films).

And the trenches ran "from the Alps to the sea," as we know.



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As to be expected, people have started uploading copies to YouTube for those of us not in the UK or unable/unwilling to use ExpatShield/proxies - I guess the Beeb will be getting those taken down in a game of "whack a mole" but Googling BBC Churchill's First World War youtube finds watchable copies or fragments at the moment. {sigh} people will actually pay for "content" when it is available. Well some of them, which is, mathematically speaking, infinitely more than none of them. Perhaps Lord Hall of Birkenhead could be prevailed upon to enter the 21st century? It may be predominantly UK heritage tied up in such productions as this - but not exclusively so.

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James, Thanks for posting, the usual faux-pas's with WW1 Archive material (American Artillery etc) but an interesting Video, overall I think there are better ways of doing it though...

Cheerswink



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I've uploaded a decent quality avi file (817Mb) to WeTransfer, available until 10 August (on which date WeTransfer automatically delete it from their server):

http://we.tl/uCFo3Dd4Vc

Click on the above link to download it (for free, no catch!).



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Many thanks Roger! Takes about as long to download as to play but size goes with quality. Aaagh, needs another codec for my player, well I've managed that before. Aaagh, somehow contrived to download yet another player in the process. That's okay, somehow all my players can now play the file. I enjoy these little cyberspace adventures.

Now to enjoy the clip. Excellent quality. And resolve some questions (why is Clementine standing at the window wearing no knickers (1:12)? Queen Victoria invented them ages before. Why is that actor playing Churchill wearing his ribbons - an impressive array of quite mysterious providence, at first glance seemingly unrelated to his service at that point - on the right breast (1:15)? Same reason his battle jacket buttons girly-fashion, right over left maybe? Was the actor was portraying him as left-handed and the images subsequently mirrored? Why does it even matter?).

Seriously worth having anyway - appreciate it.

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Impressed how they managed to choose an actor who looked absolutely nothing like the person he was supposed to portray, in fact couldn't have looked much more different

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Firstly, Steve - Queen Victoria didn't invent knickers, there was a story in the press a couple of years ago saying that a pair of 15th century knickers had been discovered somewhere in Europe; a time when it had been thought that women didn't wear them. Perhaps Queen V popularised them?

On topic, I watched this programme when it was broadcast and found it disappointing. Very little on Churchill's involvement with tanks, despite making us wait most of the programme to get there and having the Tank Museum's curator popping up at regular intervals, as if the subject was going to be covered well.

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TinCanTadpole wrote:

Firstly, Steve - Queen Victoria didn't invent knickers, ... Perhaps Queen V popularised them?

True, and though the mental images of earlier and generally less encumbered eras are difficult to dispel (especially those with an equestrian theme) I promise to restrain my enthusiasm for them henceforth.  Well, in public at least.  Starting soon.

There's not much of great substance about anything in the BBC production - but I'm always grateful for the period images and the re-telling - having learned a little since last considering parts of the story and associated factoids (and no doubt having forgotten a bit as well) I was happy  with it, not having huge expectations to start with.  And no, not a lot on landships.



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TinCanTadpole wrote:

Firstly, Steve - Queen Victoria didn't invent knickers, there was a story in the press a couple of years ago saying that a pair of 15th century knickers had been discovered somewhere in Europe; a time when it had been thought that women didn't wear them. Perhaps Queen V popularised them?

 Actually I know of a 2000 year old pair of German ladies knickers from Dätgen, Kr.Rendsburg..... worn underneath a tubular dress pinned at the shoulder and held at the waist with a sash...

"Textilfund aus Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland" karl Schlabow.

And thats not to mention the rather racey leather Roman age briefs from the UK.... sorry about the editing my hands are shaking...

Cheerssmile



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It did occur to me that since the curator of Bovington Tank Museum took part in the documentary, the Beeb might have asked him if he could spare a minute while he was there to advise on whether the film clips were historically accurate. As it was, almost all the Tank footage was anachronistic, and there was also some American infantry where there shouldn't have been. I tried to make this point on the Radio Times website, but you have to provide your birth certificate, next of kin, National Insurance number, and a DNA sample in order to post something, so I gave up.

That dreadful First World War from Above was shown again last week.



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