Landships II

CharlieC · Legend

Ever thought you might have taken on too much?

Granty101 · Colonel

Could you use thin plastic or brass rod for extra strength of the spokes??

Grant

CharlieC · Legend

I haven't translated the instructions yet but it looks like it requires 240 copper/steel 0.8mm wire spokes - each spoke is 139mm long.

Fortunately the Lebedenko had a fairly simple arrangement of the spokes - I think you'd go mad if the spokes were interlaced like most

spoked wheels. I hadn't thought about using plastic might be worth considering.

Regards,

Charlie

Granty101 · Colonel

Could the kit but scanned and re-printed to 1/72nd -1/76th scale?? Personally, I'd prefer one in the smaller scale myself.

If you can put up some 'in progress' shots, I'd like to see how this kit goes together.

Regards,

Grant

CharlieC · Legend

Yes - that's one of the strengths of cardmodels.

There would have to be some adjustment in the level of detail to go from 1/25 to 1/72 but it is doable.

Currently I'm building a 1/25 Holt Steam Wheel Tank based on the 1/43 model on Landships II.

I'm not a particularly good builder but I can put a build thread together.

Regards,

Charlie

Granty101 · Colonel

Any help is better than help Charlie

Regards,

Grant

THE OLD LANCER · Colonel

I know what it's like, did a 1/76th one a few years ago in resin.

THE OLD LANCER

PDA · Legend

CharlieC wrote:
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Currently I'm building a 1/25 Holt Steam Wheel Tank based on the 1/43 model on Landships II.
I'm not a particularly good builder but I can put a build thread together...

I'd like that very much! Far too little model making going on on this site these days! But could it be an article on Landships, rather than a thread on here, please?

And, Grant, take a look at Kora's Tsar tank here: http://www.landships.info/landships/kit_reviews.html?load=kit_reviews/Kora_Lebedenko.html

Granty101 · Colonel

PDA, I know about the Kora resin kit, but I just can't afford it!! boo hoo

Grant

CharlieC · Legend

The cardmodel kit is more affordable - it's 70 Zlotys (=$US18 =$A25) plus postage.

There isn't a laser cut frameset for it so it's going to take ages cutting out chunks of 1mm card for the frame.

Regards,

Charlie

Herbschi · Corporal

This one should be of some interest to fans of this interesting model:

www.homespunmagixx.com/TzarTank/tzar_download.asp

It is "only" 1/48 but not too difficult to build and the finished model has reasonable size (probably more compatible to many SOs than the 1/24 version...). Concerning the spoked wheels, there is a nice two-part doc on zealot.com (formerly known as cardmodels.net) which shows how to do those with little effort. Search there for "spoked wheels", must be member to download.

regards
Herbert

CharlieC · Legend

The problem with the Tsar tank wheels is that the spokes are laid out in a simple radial pattern. Eric's spoked wheel tutorial is to

emulate the interlaced pattern used in most spoked wheels. I think Eric's tutorial is on papermodelers.com as well - or I've got a copy if anyone

wants it.

The 1/48 model is linked from Landships II article on the Lebedenko - I would have it in the models section of the site but it's a semi-commercial model (or was last I looked).

There are some parts of the 1/48 model I think might be inaccurate but since there are only a handful of poor images of the Lebedenko no one could be certain

about this beast.

I agree it's going to be a big model in 1/25 (maniacal laughter in background).

Regards,

Charlie

Tonys · Field Marshal

A set of plans for a paper model are available free.

Here is the spoke layout attached.

The author has an ingenious solution regarding the spokes - print the spoke layout onto clear plastic sheet - i.e. OHP sheets!!!

I am building it out of plastic card in 1/35 - with wheels 260 mm in dia is more than big enough!!!

T140 · Lieutenant-Colonel

Any pics of your build so far Tony?

Tonys · Field Marshal

No, just started marking out after blowing up all the plans. My biggest problem is the wheel construction as you can't get A3 OHP slide sheets!!!!

CharlieC · Legend

Tonys wrote:
A set of plans for a paper model are available free.

Have another look at the website - the pattern is free unless you build it - then the guy would like some money for his model.

The Wektor model is green - something like WW2 Soviet 4B0. Anyone have an opinion on what colour the Lebedenko tank was?
I'm going to build it from scans so changing the colour is fairly straightforward.
Regards,
Charlie

Tonys · Field Marshal

As it was a prototype, I doubt if it was painted, unless in a primer.

Don't forget when finishing that the tracks were wood, not steel.

If you want some weathering, there would be some tyre rubber on the i/s of the wheel flange from the driving tyres.

BTW, the rear wheel detail is normally wrong as the 45 degree strut is shown as welded/fixed to the horizontal strut holding the axle; this makes a complete nonsense of the very large vertical spring completing the third side of the triangle - the outer corner of the rear wheel support has to be hinged for the spring to work.

On the models I have seen, the top riveting on the o/s of the wheel does not match the u/s of the rim - a mistake.

Looking at one of the picture, there would appear to be a handrail up the side of the rear leg, with a zig-zag rope attached to the top surface of the leg to aid walking up or down.

Again, depending on the plan or model used, there seems to be a discrepancy in the height of the vertical face of the body at the top of the rear leg - there has to be a sufficiently high face for a door.

Tony